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To: RetiredNow who wrote (22934)	2/20/1999 8:52:00 PM
From: Eric	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77400

Juniper is owned by IBM and a few other companies that provided venture capitol to get them going. They do have a couple of good products to compete against Cisco because that is why they were created. Of course Cisco is not standing still, Juniper is but a nat on the landscape but they will drive the continued change in the Internet infrastructure. I know that a lot of Cisco bears lament Cisco's slow implimentation of improvements in hardware but I would do the same thing in their position! Why kill the cash cow!!!!! They have some equipment coming up that are killers...... They will not sell it until necessary. What a force. It's almost a license to make money! Sorta like Microsoft! Eric

To: RetiredNow who wrote (22934)	2/20/1999 10:58:00 PM
From: Curtis E. Bemis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77400

I'm guessing you refer to the IETF, the Internet Engineering Task Force, and you refer to the work of the task force group that consists of industry experts and implementors dealing with MPLS. No ?? MPLS is MultiProtocol Label Switching. The authors of the various works within the various IETF working groups come from across the entire industry. That includes Cisco and Juniper and Bay and Ascend and on and on. Cisco did some of the earliest work in MPLS and called it Tag. That is the way it is in consensus standards. I think there are a few authors on the MPLS documents that have Cisco bylines. Of course, you could check it out yourself (often helpful before posting). ftp.ietf.org Last I heard, the Juniper and Cisco implementions of MPLS interoperated just fine---which is what emerging consenus standards from the industry is all about.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (22934)	2/22/1999 11:10:00 AM
From: David B. Logan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 77400

".. Juniper's M40 router is actually an Internet backbone router, not an edge router like others have suggested. It is extremely fast and allows service providers to scale their backbones to OC-48 speeds (very very fast). Also, the M40 comes with interface cards for ATM, DS3, Gigabit Ethernet, and SONET technologies. " I don't disagree with you... in fact you support my statement. Read my statement again.. I say that routing is taking place at the "edge" where all the routers are interconnected via a L2-ish topology such as SONET, sometimes ATM. In this topology, the Juniper would be at the edge of the TRANSPORT network. It will be a core of the ACCESS network. Whether Juniper will be successful or not is NOT signifcantly tied to their technology. They have all the requisite speeds/feeds, they support MPLS (which is in flux, thanks to Cisco)... this allows them to ENTER the marketplace, get some customer who provide them with critical feedback, and compete against Cisco, and all the other BFR companies. Technology does not guarantee successs.. it merely allows them to compete. -- Dave