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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35555)2/24/1999 11:01:00 PM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
"No laws were broken." hahahahahahaha Queen of Babble. JLA



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35555)2/24/1999 11:05:00 PM
From: jlallen  Respond to of 67261
 
Slander? hahahahaha He admitted he was gettin' bjs after lying his ass off for eight months and costing us all a bundle. He'd still be lying except for the blue dress. Truth is an absolute defense to a charge of slander, buttercup. JLA



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35555)2/24/1999 11:08:00 PM
From: JBL  Respond to of 67261
 
Michelle,

I understand your skepticism, and I believe it is quite healthy for our society. People just need to use their judgment to decide, based on facts.

I have been travelling a lot in developping countries where this type of abuse of power by politicians is the rule, and I have developped an allergic reaction to it.




To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35555)2/24/1999 11:18:00 PM
From: Johnathan C. Doe  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 67261
 
Michelle; even if she came out of the blue; her story doesn't add up; you could never have believe it; nobody but Clinton hater's blind to the truth could believe such a wild and bizarre ancient story.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35555)2/25/1999 1:10:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
>"Had Brodderick come out of the blue I would believe her."

Right, Michelle. Uh huh. And let me ask you, since you've been so all knowledgeble about this story, i.e. your above statement, how come you still can't spell her name right? It's "Broaddrick".

I read the story once, and it was totally out of the blue to me, yet I now can spell the name right.

Yet you've supposedly been familiar with the story (or whatever you mean by your contorted statement above), and because of that you don't believe her...

Give it up girl..you nor any of the Clinton apologists have ever believed anything bad about Clinton, including the Lewinsky story, until the facts were shoved into your face.

The fact is you're burned about the dress proving that Clinton engaged in a massive coverup and lied to the American ppl...you're burned because Bubba slipped up and now nobody believes him anymore. You're burned because we all said that Clinton was a liar from the beginning of this chat thread, and we were all told we were just "Clinton haters"...

Frankly you Clinton supporters are sounding more and more desperate by the day.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35555)2/25/1999 11:25:00 AM
From: Bill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
Radical feminism lives!

At BC, class divisions

Feminist is refusing to open courses to men

By Cindy Rodríguez, Globe Staff, 02/25/99

fter 25 years of teaching women-only
classes at Boston College, Mary Daly, a
renowned radical feminist philosopher with a
history of sparking controversy, received an
ultimatum from college administrators: Accept male students or stop
teaching.

Daly has balked - and the ensuing debate, with liberals and conservatives
arguing the merits of allowing segregated classes, may become the most
vivid chapter yet in her career.

A college spokesman says Daly has violated federal law and school policy
during most of her tenure, but it has become an issue only recently, after two
male students complained that Daly barred them from her class.

Daly, a tenacious, spirited woman, believes the university is using the issue to
''get rid of her.'' Backed by scores of students, and the support of many
feminists who are slowly finding out about it, Daly vows to fight the Jesuit
college.

''After beginning my career there with a bang, I cannot end with a whimper,''
said Daly, who is 70.

She has rejected a retirement package but hasn't decided her course of
action. She and her attorney, Gretchen Van Ness, acknowledge they are
facing a formidable foe.

One of the students who asserts discrimination, senior Duane Naquin, has
the backing of the Center For Individual Rights, the conservative
Washington, D.C., law firm that successfully sued to end race-based
preferences at public universities in Texas and is suing Michigan on similar
grounds.

In October, administrators received a letter from Naquin's attorney at the
center threatening to sue, and it prompted officials to reconsider Daly's
insistence on teaching men and women separately.

''Boston College's opinion is that she is violating federal law and is thereby
discriminating against male students to whom she is denying access,'' said
college spokesman Jack Dunn.

Naquin declined to comment on his complaint.

Instead of allowing Naquin to take her class during this semester, Daly
decided to take a leave of absence. She says she knew he was affiliated with
a conservative group on a campus and he didn't have the prerequisite.

She hoped to return after the controversy subsided. In 1989, after several
male students challenged Daly's women-only policy, she took a leave for a
semester and the issue faded away.

''BC has wronged me and my students by caving into right-wing pressure
and depriving me of my right to teach freely,'' Daly said. ''This is not about
discrimination. ... This is about leveling the rights of women and minorities so
that white male power reigns.''

Daly is a renowned ''radical-feminist'' theologian and philosopher, a pioneer
in the field. The term radical, which Daly says has lost its real meaning in
contemporary use, refers to getting ''at the root'' of what is wrong with
society.

Fundamental to her philosophy is the belief that since all established religions
are patriarchal, they are philosophically and morally bankrupt.

She has written seven major radical feminist books that explore worldwide
atrocities against women and avenues of expression for women's creativity.

Among the books she has written are: ''The Church and the Second Sex;''
''Beyond God the Father,'' which is used as a text in theology, philosophy,
and women's studies classes in universities throughout the world;
''Gyn/Ecology: The Metaethics of Radical Feminism '' and most recently
''Quintessence ... Realizing the Archaic Future: A Radical Elemental Feminist
Manifesto.''

Dunn, the college spokesman, said Daly offers a unique perspective that all
students - including men - should be able to experience in a regular
classroom.

But Daly argues she cannot effectively teach these courses with men in the
room because it creates a dynamic that inhibits women. Not only do men
misunderstand her concepts - because men cannot understand what it's like
to be a woman - but they tend to be disruptive, believing they are similarly
oppressed, she says. These kinds of disrupting influences ''dumb down'' the
class, she insists, keeping it from ''soaring.''

Also, she says, because society teaches women to nurse men, any male
student in the class who argues or says he doesn't understand would end up
becoming a center of attention, zapping creative energy from the rest of the
students.

Over the years, Daly says, she has taught many male students by offering
one-on-one independent study classes. If anything, she argues, the male
students get more of her attention.

When she first started teaching at Boston College, in 1966, she taught
all-male classes because women were denied entry to the College of Arts
and Sciences. In 1969, when Daly applied for tenure and was denied, 1,500
students, all men, marched on campus to protest.

Now, 30 years later, it's the women on campus leading the fight. Fourteen
students signed a letter sent to college administrators two weeks ago
expressing their dismay.

One student who signed the letter, Megan Niziol, a senior majoring in
international studies, said Daly's voice is being silenced and charged that the
administration has handled the issue awkwardly, giving no explanation to
students who hoped to take her class.

Niziol says the issue has divided the campus, with many students saying if the
situation were reversed and a male professor tried to keep women out, he'd
be immediately fired.

To that, Niziol says, ''We live in a patriarchal society in which eliminating
womens' access to education has been a method to keep them oppressed.''

Those who support Daly see a danger in allowing the Center for Individual
Rights to pressure Daly into retiring. A CIR letter sent to hundreds of
supporters nationwide seeking financial support said the CIR plans to attack
''two of feminism's sacred cows: the Violence Against Women Act of 1994
and Title IX of the 1972 Education Amendments.''

Terrence Pell, a spokesman for CIR, said he cannot comment on any case
without a client's permission, but said it's clear that Boston College is in
violation of Title IX and discriminates against men.

This story ran on page A01 of the Boston Globe on 02/25/99.
© Copyright 1999 Globe Newspaper Company.

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