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To: mark silvers who wrote (24742)	3/1/1999 2:58:00 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark, not all women or men for that matter, are meant to be married. I myself wince when Paul says that a woman is not to even speak in Church. Today, in certain Churches, this is still followed, and many woman fill teachimg roles of children. But, in other Churches, we have women ministers that preach to men and women. In any case whether Paul was expressing a bit of his own opinion in that matter, I firmly believe that a Church should be orderly. (Many are not.) Most men have a chemical called testosterone that settles the matter in a marriage when there is a question as to who is the head of the family. (grin) Maybe there is a reason that women do not have this chemical? Santiago

To: mark silvers who wrote (24742)	3/1/1999 7:59:00 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Mark, Sorry to take so long. Been gone and then site was down for a while. LOL, that is like asking, "do you still beat your wife?" We have a different definition of what is Godly. OK, do you still beat your wife? it clearly spells out that a women is to be secondary to a man, to be subserviant and compliant. It calls her the weaker sex, to be fully submisive and compliant. Only this generation would think so. How about the following, Mark, how does this sound? Proverbs 31: 10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. 11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. 12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. 13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. 14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. 15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. 16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. 17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. 18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. 19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. 20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. 21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. 22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. 23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. 24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. 25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. 26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. 27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. 28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. 29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. 30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised. 31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. that sound like a weak woman to you? You need to distinguish between secondary and difference. If you see no difference in men or women, don't show me a picture of your wife!!!:o0 The Word says what the word says. I will not "give you a different opinion" on what has been said. I will not tell you that P{aul did not mean to say something or that it was personal opinion. It says what it says. All your wanting it to say something else will not make it so. There are differences between men and women and also different roles to be played in this game of life. Now... I know from experience and just watching families that if a man is treating his wife as Christ does the church, and is a servent as he should be, there are no arguments about this question, if indeed it is a question. Wish I would say, "well it don't mean what it says"? Nope, ain't gonna do it. Now if you choose to say, " I don't wanna God that says this or says that" then it don't really matter cause you will find a reason not to want God to be your "all in all". I am sorry for that. Your friend dan