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To: PROLIFE who wrote (24751)	3/1/1999 9:57:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Gentlemen, I would like to share on this topic. A feminist to me is a woman that is confident and wants to be independent. There are many women like this in the scriptures. Luke 8 2: And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, 3: And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance. They helped support Jesus ministry out of their own means. Acts 16 4: And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul She had her own business and purple was a sign of elegant fabrics of value. God met Hagar at the well and has always cared for women tenderly. Submission is a misunderstood thing IMO. In Gods view it is an honor to submit and serve other people. Jesus himself as the Creator of the Universe, the giver of life and light said He came to serve not to be served and washed the feet of His disciples. Should we not become delighted in serving and submission in Him? I wish all women could find the joy of quietly coming along side of her husband and trusting in the Lord to guide them both in His love. Ephesians 5 21: Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. 22: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23: For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24: Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Honestly the men have a bigger task in these verses and if they keep their part the women would easily submit to that kind of unselfish love. Nancy P.S. In the begining of the Proverbs 31 woman the author says "Who can find her?" He's dreaming IMO.

To: PROLIFE who wrote (24751)	3/2/1999 8:17:00 AM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Good morning Dano, <<it clearly spells out that a women is to be secondary to a man, to be subserviant and compliant. It calls her the weaker sex, to be fully submisive and compliant. <<Only this generation would think so>> Subserviant, compliant, weaker sex? In any generation, those are words describing a secondary value. Subservient means subordinate or servile. that is secondary no matter how you slice it or color it. The passages you posted, say that a man is to love and honor a women, but it clearly gives a women a secondary role. <<The Word says what the word says. I will not "give you a different opinion" on what has been said.>> I am not asking for a different opinion. I am asking you to explain why you think it says what it says. Anyone can recite passages in the Bible. I am asking you to go a little deeper and discuss the why's of what it says. I am not asking you to contradict it. In fact, I don't want you to contradict it. I have no desire to change your opinions or faith. I am just inerested in hearing your reasons, or the reasons you think it says what it says. <<Now... I know from experience and just watching families that if a man is treating his wife as Christ does the church, and is a servent as he should be, there are no arguments about this question, if indeed it is a question.>> If a man treats his wife according to the passages we have both cut and pasted, he will love and honor her, that is true. However, she will also be taking a back seat to the husband inmany ways. that may be fine with many women, and if that is the case, then that is great. For other women, it may not be as great. there is no reason a competent, talented women shold have to hide those talents, for the sole reason that she is not a man. Like I said before, think of the world if women like Jane Addams, Harriet Tubbman, Rosa Parks, Joan of Arc, Margaret Thatcher, and Madame Currie had decided to be passive and hide their talents so as not to overshadow a man........ mark