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To: PAinvestor who wrote (43380)3/1/1999 9:17:00 PM
From: phbolton  Respond to of 53903
 
Not much after hours motion in MU or MUEI. Still curious how 44% of the revenue is valued at about $6/share (MUEI) and 56% at $50+/share (MU). Thats per share of MU.



To: PAinvestor who wrote (43380)3/2/1999 2:22:00 AM
From: steve kelly  Respond to of 53903
 
March 1, 1999

Korean DRAM makers getting aggressive again

By Jack Robertson

SEOUL -- Don't ever forget that South Korea is still the center of the DRAM universe. Despite the major financial crisis that sent its chip makers reeling and the "shotgun marriage" being forced on LG Semicon Co. Ltd. and Hyundai Electronics Industries Co. Ltd., the South Korean tiger is roaring again.

This aggressiveness showed up big-time at SEMI's Semicon Korea meeting in late February. Korean DRAM makers certainly had regained their confidence. Discussions with local chip makers and production equipment suppliers at the show confirmed that the Koreans are ordering tools to upgrade fabs to 0.18-micron design rules
as quickly as possible so they could ramp up their DRAM output.

Korean DRAM makers were sure of themselves. They were certain, for example, that next year Samsung Electronics Co. and the new Hyundai-LG Semicon merged operation, along with Micron Technology Inc., will
control 70% of the global DRAM market.

Soon Y. Hwang, director of Hyundai Electronics' semiconductor strategic development, claims the new global
"big three" will drive most other memory vendors into much smaller niche memory markets. "These three companies will have such economies of scale in production," he maintains, "that they will price DRAMs so
competitively that few other supplies will be able to afford to match the price."

Officials from the "big three" Korean chip makers, as well as exhibitors at Semicon Korea, agree that next year
Samsung and Micron will each be turning out in excess of 50 million 64-megabit DRAMs a month, up from 20-to-25 million units now. Hyundai and LG each are running at 15 million 64-Mbit DRAMs per month now, but
their consolidation, most people believe, would result in a lower total output that would be in line with what the other two DRAM giants are now producing.

Meanwhile, the long, tortured discussions aimed at coming up with a deal that Hyundai and LG Semicon will agree to now have another deadline. This time the two companies have until March 7 to sign a final agreement. At the end of February, the two chip makers were still deadlocked on price and a government-sponsored mediation
panel was trying to bring about a settlement.

The companies remain at odds over how much Hyundai will pay for LG Semicon. Hyundai is offering about $1 billion and the LG Group is seeking up to $4 billion, according to Jun-Ho Cho, vice president for corporate restructuring in LG's Executive Office.

LG Group "is committed to keeping its word on going ahead with the acquisition of LG Semicon by Hyundai Electronics," insists LG's Cho. "However," he says, "we want a reasonable price."

And that pricetag seems to have gone up recently. The value of other DRAM producers is climbing due to the improved global market, the LG vice president points out. "The price of Micron stock has doubled and is now priced seven times higher than LG Semicon stock," he says. "Only six months ago, share prices of both companies were in the same range."

Even without a merger, Hyundai would remain the third largest DRAM producer in the world and LG Semicon would be the fourth largest. But the longer the merger is delayed, the more difficult it will be for LG Semicon to make the strategic investments necessary to upgrade its six Korean fabs, officials say. LG Semicon, however, has continued to upgrade a leading-edge 8-inch fab to 0.20-micron processing, says Jun-Ho Cho, vice president ofLG's Executive Office who heads corporate restructuring.

Samsung and Hyundai, of course, are facing no such uncertainties, and they already have started to order leading edge equipment to convert their existing lines and fill out fabs. First step is to push die shrinks to 0.2-micron, then later this year move to 0.18-micron design rules.

Equipment vendors at Semicon Korea were delighted to see the Koreans ordering again, even though the amount was still a far cry from the free-wheeling days of 1995-97 when the Korean chip makers were on a fab-building spree. "The Koreans are dedicated to maintaining their global market strength," sums up Dennis Key, vice president of marketing for Varian Associates Inc.'s Semiconductor Equipment Division in Palo Alto, Calif.

Korean device makers are expected to double their equipment purchases this year to $2.6 billion, predicts Chi-Luck Kim, president of the Korean Semiconductor Industry Association (KSIA). While he says that it's still too early to determine how a merged Hyundai-LG chip operation would affect capital spending, "whatever happens, semiconductor companies must invest heavily to remain competitive in the world market."

The biggest boost now to Korean confidence is a strengthening DRAM market. DRAM makers are convinced that memory prices have stabilized after two years of precipitous drops. Hyundai's Hwang agrees with the growing number of forecasts that call for a price pickup in the second half as DRAM supply moves closer into balance with demand.

In fact, it is this stronger DRAM market that is now the LG Group's key argument against the merger of its chip business into Hyundai. "The conditions of excessive oversupply of DRAMs no longer exists," LG's Cho claims. "There is no longer a valid reason to merge the two groups." Nevertheless, LG removed one roadblock to the merger in February when it gave all of its employees a six-month salary bonus to compensate them in the transition to the new merged company. LG fab workers, who were in the midst of a 15-day walkout protesting the acquisition, then returned to work.

According to LG's Cho, this bonus will cost his company $50 million to ease the path to the merger, an expense that he feels Hyundai should consider now in its acquisition price. The importance of DRAMs to Korean chip makers can't be overestimated. Despite intensive efforts to diversify into other chip markets during the past couple of years, the Koreans still remain locked into DRAMs. Memory chips last year still accounted for 84% of South Korea's $7.8 billion in chip sales, estimates KSIA's Kim.

He expects this ratio to continue at about the same rate this year due to rising memory chip prices and higher output. But he adds that the Korean industry's goal is still to ramp up non-memory chip business to at least 30% of Korean semiconductor sales by 2002.

Meanwhile, there is no action on the new fab front. All three Korean chip companies say they're holding off any plans to build completely new fabs. Two projected superfabs in the U.K. remain on hold, according to Hyundai and LG Semicon. Hyundai has no plans to go ahead anytime soon to equip the empty plant at its Scotland site, and LG's Cho says there are no plans now to move ahead with his company's postponed fab in Wales. But in event of a merger, "it's going to be a difficult decision on how to proceed on the two U.K. fabs," predicts
Hyundai's Hwang. Samsung, which is completing a second-stage expansion at its Austin, Tex., fab, says that it has no plans to start
any new fabs this year. The company's $1 billion semiconductor capital spending budget this year, which is just about the same as was spent in 1998, will go for upgrading existing production lines.
Samsung, however, has decided to go ahead with the next-generation 300-mm wafer. It will build a 300-mm pilotline in one of its current development fabs at Kiheung. But there are no plans at this time to move ahead into full production with the larger wafer, according to a company spokesman.



To: PAinvestor who wrote (43380)3/2/1999 3:11:00 AM
From: A. A. LaFountain III  Respond to of 53903
 
Cost of capital/bit growth/survivor premium:

In response to your (all very good) points:

1) I have a big problem with cost of capital, since I've yet to hear of a semi company that has turned down a government inducement (case in point, a certain unfacilitated fab in Lehi, UT). Frankly, I don't know how it would be calculated, and that's before currency translation effects (God help us all!). What we do know is that equipment costs tend to be universal, as do materials, and they apparently account for a whole bunch (to get technical) of the cost structure. But labor costs are a factor as well and one observation is that areas of low labor costs have also tended to have low capital costs. No good answer for this one. One interesting MU note is that they have, to the best of my knowledge, never stated that they are the low cost producer, but have always stated that others have described them as the low cost producer. I've been told by people in the industry that MU's cost structure benefits handsomely from excellent attention to particle-based defects, so that higher yields lead to lower cost per die.

2) Bit growth. Straight from the Semiconductor Industry Association monthly Blue Book. It's the real deal. Key point - bit growth slowed last Spring before surging in the Fall; could there be a lagged market response to bit growth? If so, would portend a resumption of price declines beginning right about,oh say, NOW!!!

3) Survivability. One thing about having covered this industry for over 20 years is the accumulation of memories (the human kind). So I have a distinct recollection of a meeting several years ago with a former Mostek executive who described the unparalleled fun of shipping 16Mb DRAMs with the equivalent of a dollar bill wrapped around each one. Mostek's triumph over Intel in the DRAM market proved to be somewhat ephemeral, as the Japanese came in and buried it. Hopefully, Micron won't have the same experience, but the possibility can't be dismissed. The premia that should be factored into the stock should be somewhat offset by the discount that is only logical given the nature of the business.

- Tad LaFountain

(The opinions expressed on this forum are the author's and should not be viewed as those of Needham & Company, Inc.)



To: PAinvestor who wrote (43380)3/2/1999 8:28:00 PM
From: Thomas G. Busillo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 53903
 
PA, you make some very good points. I'd like to believe that crony capitalism and ham-fisted strategic "management" of foreign economies has ended. Unfortunately, just as the blueprint for their economic rise was Japan, their ability to deal with structural inefficiencies in a timely manner, IMHO will prove to be built upon the "Japanese Bank Reform" model.

As a result we have seen a large drop in capex by the Koreans over the last year and only a very slight recovery this year - only 20-30% of levels that we saw only two-three years ago. Anyone else who expects a sharp rebound are deluding themselves and unaware of the underlying change that we are going though in Asia.

Despite that, the Koreans are expected to double their capex this year. From SBN:
Korean chip makers are expected to double their purchases of production equipment this year to $2.6 billion from $1.35 billion in 1998, Kim said. He said the bulk of the new gear would be to upgrade existing fabs, as chip makers aren't expected to launch any new plants this year.

semibiznews.com

Their capex is aimed at process technology, not expansion; however, one of the byproducts is "stealth expansion". Just ask Micron.

Now there was a certain analyst who postulated roughly a month ago that major process improvement initiatives could actually exacerbate the coming "shortage".

(02/04/99, 10:53 a.m. EDT)

SAN FRANCISCO — With unit shipments now increasing faster than new DRAM capacity, a memory shortage could occur by next year, warned a semiconductor analyst from NationsBanc Montgomery Securities during the company's technology conference here. The shortfall of supply and demand will be exacerbated by less-effective die shrinks and a dwindling pool of DRAM vendors worldwide, said analyst Jonathan Joseph.

Speaking at the NationsBanc Montgomery Securities Technology Week Conference, Joseph noted that several memory vendors have either cut their production levels or exited the market altogether in the past year. While this has cut down the worldwide DRAM capacity, overall bit demand is continuing to swell, and the overcapacity situation that plagued the sector throughout 1998 is likely to be offset within the next 12 months.

Another factor is the current generation of die shrinks. While previous shrinks have led to a significant gain in die-per-wafer, Joseph noted that some Montgomery studies have indicated that the move from 0.25-micron technology to 0.21-micron manufacturing is currently yielding only 40 percent more memory bits per wafer. This is not enough to offset growing bit demand which is running at more than 80 percent annually, and increasing.

"It will be pretty interesting by the end of 1999," he said. "And we could enter a DRAM shortage in 2000." ...


semibiznews.com

I believe this would be the same Jon Joseph from Nations Banc Montgomery Securities who today cut MU from a Buy to a Hold.

have seen Motorola, TXN, Siemens, LG, Fujitsu, Hitachi, Nippon Steel Semiconductor, Oki Electric either announce, about to announce, imply or deny rumors that they will be withdrawing from production of commodity DRAM.

I don't know where outsourcing fits in, but in the case of Fujitsu, I'm pretty sure I remember seeing that they expected to outsource something like 40% of their DRAM "production" to either TSMC or UMC.

You're right that we're undergoing a significant shake-out, but once it's over with, we'll still have 5 large players in a cut-throat commodity market where unilateral pricing power is non-existent. Conceivably, collusion have a greater chance of working, but MU has shown no interest in the past at collusion.

The point that Sanford Berstein's Zlotnikov made recently in CMP is worth repeating. If Dan Niles' "investment thesis" is that MU will continue to rise in part due to "increase in memory per PC", he should take the time to understand what made this increase possible. What made it possible was largely the cratering of DRAM prices. There was some elasticity at the margins. I have a hard time understanding why the rate of increase in memory per PC would continue to be the same during a period of price stability in the absence of the same drivers that made 1995 possible. Windows made increasing memory per PC a largely inelastic decision (i.e. it had to be done). Maybe on the high-end, that proves to still be the case for some systems, but given what's been going on in the low-end, I'd expect a deceleration in the rate of memory per PC growth.

Good trading,

Tom