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To: one_less who wrote (38118)	3/12/1999 12:50:00 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

where in you benefit by serving a God of charity and compassion can be known through the hearts of human beings but not justified by a study of physical creation. Why were the great early Islamic scientists studying nature?

To: one_less who wrote (38118)	3/12/1999 1:30:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 67261

>Human systems of organization are no more perfect in their performance than are the human beings designing and managing them.< But the reasoning upon which these humans depend is as perfect as anything they are bound to encounter other than God, and I am not persuaded that this reasoning itself is not a molecule of the divine Nature. When humans act in such a manner as to negate this reason, they act in an uncivilized manner. They are animals. If we are to claim ourselves animals who might exist apart from reason, then certainly my argument will fail. But I think reason is something with which we humans must contend, and reason disallows our current application of abortion to human relations. >Simple reason isn't enough. The premise of God as original author must be at the foundation of the debate to make your arguement succeed with other reasonable people.< Surely reason has its limits, and these limits are why I found myself drawn to theism. But it is not so limit as to disallow the non-theist (atheist) to understand the flawed premise of abortion.