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To: Bob Bryenton who wrote (8997)3/17/1999 9:20:00 AM
From: William B. Kohn  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 62549
 
Coin question. Answer I think is three

Bill



To: Bob Bryenton who wrote (8997)3/17/1999 9:36:00 AM
From: Graham C.  Respond to of 62549
 

Coins on the balance : solution ...
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( actually , the version I heard before was billiard/
snooker/pool balls )
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The solution makes perfect sense - but is extremely difficult
to express concisely.

1. Weigh 4 against 4. There are two outcomes possible
1A - they balance => all eight are normal : mark them N
1B - they don't balance => either one on the light side is lighter,
or one on the heavy side is heavier : mark 4 H and the
other 4 L

If outcome of 1 is A, weigh three of the remaining 4 against three
of the N's. This time there are three possible outcomes :-

1A2A - They balance; then the last remaining one is odd. Simply
weigh it against any normal one to determine whether it is
heavier or lighter.

1A2B - The unknowns are heavier than the N's. ( This means the
12th one is normal and one of these three unknowns is
heavier. ) The weight two fo these three against each other.
There are two outcomoes :-

1A2B3A - they balance - then the third one is Heavy.

1A2B3B - one is heavier than the other - so that is the Heavy
one.

1A2C - ditto 1A2B solution changing Heavy to Light etc.

If the outcome of 1 is B - they don't balance, then you have 4 L's
( one of which MAY be lighter ), 4 H's ( one of which MAY be heavier )
and the remaining 4 are normal N's.

Here's the tricky bit ...

Weigh L+L+H against L+H+N, giving three possible outcomes :-

1B2A - they balance. So the odd one is one of the remaining
L, H or H. Weight H against H and either one will be truly
Heavy or else they will balance leaving the odd L as the
Light odd one.

1B2B - the L+L+H side is heavier. So either this H is truly Heavy,
or the L on the other side is truly light. So weigh one of
those against any normal one - if it doesn't balance, it is
the odd one; if it does balance, the other one is the odd
one.

1B2C - the L+L+H side is lighter. Weight the L against the L - if
they balance, the H on the other side is truly Heavy; if they
don't balance, the lighter one of them is truly Light.


Clear ? As mud.



To: Bob Bryenton who wrote (8997)3/17/1999 4:20:00 PM
From: Slugger  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 62549
 
Answer to: You have 12 coins on of them is counterfiet.
You do not know if it is heavier or lighter.
What is the min no of balances (using a balance)
to find the bad coin?
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