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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (459)3/20/1999 12:55:00 AM
From: D. Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 765
 
First, I misread several posts to mean Iraq was being discussed, my apologies for spouting drivel ;)

I think terrorism is a very real danger to US security, both at home and abroad. I havent considered any plausible solution to the problem. But it seems its a frighteningly difficult situation considering that terrorist cells can operate independently anywhere in the world and that they can pop up undetected and unexpected anywhere at any time and disappear without any hard target to retaliate against. I think Ron is on the right track though in supposing the massive nuclear retaliatory threat to terrorist sponsors is at least stopgap deterrance.

At home, we are very vulnerable to attack. There are terrorists living openly in this country, operating behind the very freedoms that ironically they seek to destroy. An even uncoordinated attack on our energy grid and phone network could black out the country in an instant. Every hacker knows how easy it is to get into the Baby Bells or AT&T. I believe the DOD shut down power in the SW as an experiment to see if it could be done (dont quote me, not sure of the veracity of that one). A terrorist with 1 pound of nerve toxin dumped from the top of the World Trade Towers could decimate NYC. A similiar dump from a chartered plane somewhere over the US could do unimaginable damage. We wont even discuss the possibility of a miniaturized nuke in a suitcase set down in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue. If tons of cocaine can be smuggled into this country undetected every year, certainly a single nuclear device could be. The possibilities are endless, and quite scary.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (459)3/20/1999 6:40:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 765
 
Ron,

Before you pack your gear and fly over to Kinshasa (to capture B. Denard), I want to brief you on the historical context over there...

THE GREAT RACE FOR AFRICA RESUMES

by Eric Margolis
March 9, 1997


PARIS- By the time this column appears, the Congo River port city of Kisangani will likely have fallen to advancing rebel forces. Once Kisangani is secured, and the rebel army resupplied, the road to Zaire's capital, Kinshasa lies open.

Kisangani, eastern Zaire's most important city, used to be called Stanleyville when Belgium ruled the Congo (today Zaire). After Belgium abruptly withdrew in 1960, this vast nation of 200 tribes and 40 million people dissolved into bloody chaos.

Congolese rebels, known as Simbas, raped, tortured, and massacred whites in Stanleyville. Italian airmen who fell into Simba hands were eaten.

White mercenaries from France and Belgium - Les Affreux (the frightful ones) led by the legendary soldier of fortune Bob Denard, and the famed Wild Geese under Mad Mike Hoare, raced to rescue remaining whites in Stanleyville.. Anti-communist Cubans paid by CIA flew air strikes in B-26 bombers.

This week, Serb mercenaries fighting for the central government of President Mobutu, who is dying of cancer here in France, were in action around Stanleyville, trying unsuccessfully to halt the rebel advance.

The Zairean Army, good only for rapine and pillage, is melting away. The rebel forces are most unusual. Unlike Africa's normally rag-tag, undisciplined soldiers, these rebels are well-organized and effectively led, amply supplied and tightly disciplined. Interestingly, they have the latest well-maintained arms and expensive combat uniforms.

It's amply clear outside powers are backing the rebels and their shadowy leader, Laurent Kabila. Some of the rebels belong to the tough Tutsi Army from neighboring Rwanda; others are ethnic Tutsis from eastern Zaire. Having crushed the Hutu army, they appear determined to march on Kinshasa and overthrow Mobutu's crumbling regime.

Uganda, a new US client, is also aiding the rebels. French security experts believe Israel and the CIA may also be secretly supporting and supplying insurgent forces. France, which rules much of West Africa through local black overseers called 'presidents,' backs Mobutu. Paris is convinced there is an American plot to oust France from much of its West and North African dominions - just as the US kicked Britain and France out of their Mideast colonies in the 1950's. France and the US are openly vying to secure control of Zaire, which has vast resources of minerals, gems, gold and oil.

The French compare today's events in eastern Zaire with the famous Fashoda incident at the end of the last century in which British and French colonial forces almost went to war at an obscure post in southern Sudan. After the Fashoda scare, the two imperial powers agreed to divide Central Africa into spheres of influence.

Over the past year, the US and Israel have been arming and financing the minority Christian regimes of Eritrea, Uganda, and Ethiopia. Forces from these African nations have invaded Sudan, whose Islamic regime the Americans are attempting to overthrow. Now this 'Anglo' entente has turned on French-backed Zaire. To the angry French, nothing less than a new race to colonize Africa is under way. France's European partners are also increasingly worried by the growing strains between Europe and the US over black Africa and the Mideast.

Europe's strategy is to support France's political and economic domination of North, Central and West Africa, and to discreetly reassert European influence in the oil-rich Mideast. In the view of Paris, the Clinton Administration's Mideast policy is almost wholly shaped by Israel through its powerful American lobby. Israel's strategy is to keep Europe, which tends to side with the Arabs, out of the Mideast, while expanding Israeli influence in Central Africa and along the Red Sea Coast on the Horn of Africa. Israel has long had special interests in Zaire's mineral wealth and Africa's arms markets.

Unless France manages to mount a serious mercenary force to succor Mobutu - or even sends some of its crack intervention forces based in West Africa to Zaire - it seems inevitable that the Mobutu regime will fall, or be overthrown by a coup. The political situation in Kinshasa is chaotic, as various factions vie for power to succeed the moribund Mobutu. As of now, however, no Zairean leader has the stature of authority to grab the throne of God-King Mobutu.

Another fascinating questions is, who will lay hands on Mobutu's treasure after he dies. The Zairean ruler has a reputed US $5 billion stashed away in European banks, not counting castles and villas. His cronies have looted Zaire to the point where it is totally bankrupt. The future battle over Mobutu's treasure will dwarf the struggle by the Philippines to recover the horde of the late Ferdinand Marcos and confront Swiss banks with another major, and highly unwelcome crisis.

No matter how much lip service is paid to the UN and aiding refugees, the real theme in Africa is a return to the great power rapacity of the 19th century colonial era. Control of oil and minerals is the sina qua non of international power. The great race for Africa is again afoot.

copyright eric margolis 1997
Reprinted with Permission

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Eric Margolis
Syndicated Columnist/Foreign Affairs Analyst
The Toronto Sun

Direct link:
e-z.net



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (459)3/20/1999 7:14:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 765
 
Briefing - Part II

africalynx.com

Excerpt:

[...]Former President Mobutu tried to stop the uprising by Laurent Kabila by engaging foreign mercenaries. Mobutu urged the formation of a Legion Blanc. At first he tried to involve Executive Outcomes but they were under contract in Angola; and Mobutu was known to support Jonas Savimbi so the Angolan government prevented EO from taking Mobutu's side in Zaire. So Mobutu tried to hastily recruit mercenaries from France, Belgium and Serbia and Croatia.

Many of the mercenaries he chose in Europe had no idea of what conditions in Africa, its people or the equatorial tropical regions would be like. Many of the Yugoslavs had little military experience but the Serbs and Croats were prepared to accept a fraction of what freelance professional soldiers were being offered elsewhere.

Mobutu also employed some South African airmen, but these were too few and were recruited right at the end when it was too late. Many, like 'Juba' Joubert and Neill Ellis, had originally worked for EO in Angola and Sierra Leone. Ellis, in contrast, had first flown MiG-l7s in the Balkans and it was his contacts - in conjunction with Bob Denard and a former Belgian mercenary, Christian Tavernier - that originally brought Bosnian Serbs and Croats to Central Africa.

Ellis's company, Stablico, provides an insight to how they went to work. A fellow South African intermediary, Maritz Le Roux -also a former EO hand - had offered to supply Mobutu's prime minister, General Likunia, with combat pilots and soldiers. As with the others, he wanted part of the money up-front.

But it took time. It wasn't until Kabila's army had taken Kikwit, 400 kms south-east of the capital, that Stablico was given some cash and the go-ahead. By then it was too late. Ellis reckons that huge amounts of US dollars changed hands constantly.

Mobutu's forces should have done better than they did since the Zaireans were not totally unprepared. Likunia and the chief of the Zairean Air Force, Gen Baruti had acquired a sizeable air force from eastern Europe; including five MiG-21s. There were also four MiG-24 gunships and a couple of Jastreb ground-attack jets which, together, would have been more than adequate to stall Kabila's advance since the rebel leader had no air support.

Had these mercenaries been deployed, they would have bought time and the ability to fly in mercenary ground forces waiting in South Africa.

Ellis mentioned a figure of about 1,200 soldiers on his books. Many are former EO veterans. There were also 30 jet and helicopter pilots.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (459)3/20/1999 7:41:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 765
 
Congo Briefing - Part III

Source: Pan African News Agency (PANA)
Date: 24 Mar 1997


Mercenary Chief Detained In Zaire


KAMPALA, Uganda (PANA) - Zaire's embattled government has reportedly arrested the head of an 800-strong force of mercenaries as he attempted to flee the country following the March 15 capture of Kisangani by rebels, a top security source has revealed here.

Christian Tavernier, a former Belgian army colonel, is being held in Makala Prison, the country's largest, the source told the Kampala-based government daily, the New Vision.

It said that the Zaire government accused Tavernier taking huge sums of money and not fighting to safeguard several towns in the east including Kisangani which have since fallen to Laurent Kabila's rebels.

Mobutu's government accused the mercenaries of betrayal, the newspaper quoted the unnamed source as saying.

He added that some of the mercenaries, mostly European, had accused Tavernier of failing to pay them.

The wrangling among the mercenaries is also because of the attitude of Zairean troops who expect them to fight alone.

Others also fear for their lives as many were threatened with death by Zairean troops who resented the manner in which the mercenaries were restraining them from looting, the newspaper reported.

The French daily newspaper, Le Monde, reported in January that hundreds of soldiers of fortune from the former Yugoslavia, France, Belgium, Britain, Angola and Mozambique were being recruited to fight for the beleaguered Mobutu regime.

The security source told The New Vision that an advisor on security to President Mobutu Sese Seko, Site Yala, contracted a renowned French mercenary Bob Denard in early January.

The source said that for fear of his deeds in Africa Denard, possibly best known for his Congo (now Zaire) exploits in the 1960s, instead sub-contracted Tavernier to undertake the Zairean mission.

Denard twice toppled the government in the Comoro Islands. Last year he was arrested and jailed in France but was later released.

The source claimed that Denard kept for himself a large portion of the contract money before handing over the balance to Tavernier who could not fight effectively alongside Zaire's indisciplined troops.

Copyright © 1997 The Panafrican News Agency. All Rights Reserved.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (459)3/20/1999 8:15:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 765
 
Congo Briefing - Part IV

towardfreedom.com

Excerpt:

[...]A Belgian diplomat is more blunt. "How long can this go on before a dozen US security officers are killed?" he wonders, recalling the death of 30 [the correct number is 10] Belgian paratroopers in Kigali, Rwanda, in 1994. "And what will the US administration's reaction be then?"

To many observers, this headlong plunge, driven by business and military pressure, forms a dangerous mix. But others, such as Rev. Jackson, are more confident. "Africa has a lot to offer, the United States has a lot to offer," he predicted before a meeting with Kenya's now re-elected President Daniel arap Moi, "and the fact that we both have a lot to offer makes us want to be good friends and mutually-beneficial trading partners." Whether that sentiment becomes reality depends on at least three factors: corporate responsibility, a reduced US military presence, and a strong, clearly defined African policy. At the moment, hopes are high, especially since Albright's tour and the announcement that President Clinton plans to visit Africa this year.

During her Africa tour in December, Albright's announcement that Clinton's Partnership for Economic Growth and Opportunity will provide a $90 million loan to develop new oil fields in Angola was encouraging. But a subsequent statement, made during a visit to a Chevron oil drilling platform, raised eyebrows. An additional $350 million from the US Export-Import Bank, she explained, may only support the purchase of US equipment, a move suggesting that the State Department is more interested in promoting US commercial interests than African self-reliance.

Compared with China's pending $150 million no-strings-attached grant to the Congo, the US requirement raises the specter of colonial thinking.[...]
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The bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the killings of American tourists in Uganda's Mountain Gorilla Park... will all these outrages be enough to repel the U.S. off Central Africa? You tell me!

PS: BTW I want a 70-30 split on the FBI reward --after all, I picked out the right target!



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (459)3/28/1999 3:48:00 PM
From: robnhood  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 765
 
<<<. I would like to see you whine less and propose alternative
solutions more. Tell us how you would set the world right.
>>>

What right have I got to decide how to set the world right???

Right off the top of my head I would be hard pressed to think that bombing and killing would be my first approach, ( even justified by first giving a 10 day ultimatum)...Hardly think Jesus would have approved either--- My tax dollars and my silence allow this sort of crap to go on in my name---- I for one do not approve nor do I agree-- Nonetheless the power doesn't give two hoots what I or anyone else thinks....

<<There is no way you can force two cultures possessing undying hatred for one
another to live peacefully until they each have discover how much they are losing
through their warfare.>>>

Even a dummy like me can figure that one out---- I am hard pressed to think that all of these Military advisers and geniuses can't figure that out--- Of course they can- so what is the real reason they are there-- Damned if I know, but it sure aint to fix that undying hatred....

Maybe they'll turn their bombs on Ireland next. Using that type of justification for aggresion , just about anywhere on this planet will turn up enough hate....