Ron: ok, since you have ceased the insults, I will respond, once again..
I phophetically(sic)
So now you're a prophet??
.....in relation to your understanding of y2k,and preparation level..
Did you look at those links on testing data and protocols I posted from the Treasury Dept?? They gov't had their techies actually visit their vendor labs to witness and run tests on COTS systems they had purchased.
.....for starters, what about the embedded chips and systems? They are far more a danger point in their potential to bring down the grid! No major organization will even come close to finding all/most of theirs in time, etc.,etc. Until the govt verifies any utility co finds, tests, retests most/all of those.....code testing and end-end implementation may even be moot....please study authoritative articles re: emb. chips/sytems.....
And not to take your words out of of context (but it seemed applicable):
I cannot logically reason....
Ken, give it up. All you're stating is your particular view on the potential consequences of Y2K. You're not god, and neither are any of the rest of us. You take for fact and unavoidable, those things you can not document.
......wrong again, Ron...but, then, I have addressed these statements in past posts to you, ad naseum! Give up trying to invalidate my related statements by such specious statements.
The problem, simply stated, is that WE'RE ALL IGNORANT of what will actually occur.
.....in terms of absolute certainty, obviously correct...in terms of probablities, wrong...you need verifiable proof to make a decision...thus, you need to sharpen logical skills,so you can surpaas your limits of 'can't reason thru interrelated data to make probability conclusions, forcasts and predictions'...." if by gosh and golly I am not certain, then I will deny all potential"
You have shown yourself, IMO, not to be an alarmist trying to alert people that something needs to be done, but as someone trying to instigate a riot by yelling fire in a crowded theater.
.....this is a statement sickeningly and commonly, and illogically used by a number of pollyannas when they cannot refute the date and/or logic of those with sufficent courage to state practical realities of the domino/systemic nature of Y2K, also embracing the coming economic meltdown and the entire division of labor...
that is simply a bastard form of name-calling....
You think we all should follow your example, panicking and cowering in fear of the great unknown.
.....and, another retreat to illogical, dramatic and disassociated metaphors......
Well try this one on for size, Ken... Have we or have we not lived a maximum of 30 minutes away from the complete and utter destruction of mankind for the past 40+ years??
....yes! good for you, Ron!
How come you haven't figure out the statistical probability of one of those 36,000 nuclear warheads go off by accident?? Why haven't you shown the same measure of concern as you do Y2K??
......unfortunately, you doubtlessly have not studied, as I have, just how close, in terms of minutes, we have come to nuke exchange, as recent as l995 (2 minutes)...
But, still the probablity of accidental/inadvertant exchange, esp with the Russian 'dead-hand' system (bet you do not know what that is, do you?) is less than severe Y2K disruptions...
To continue your point, and I will make an arguement here for you, that you are probably unaware of, the danger of incoming nukes from Russia and former soviet states, will be SUBSTANTIALLY greater than during the cold war (I will not discuss why, as it would be off-topic)....
And what about infomation warfare?? Aren't you worried by the persisent and deliberate hacking attempts into some of our most critical IT infrastructure?? Aren't you worried that TOMORROW we could suffer a massive Infowar attack on this nation that could cause many if not all the same effects as a major Y2K disruption??
.....absolutely! well now, you are finally providing practical reasoning! I believe what you are conjecturing will play a significant role in, and be totally interelated, as part of the Y2K catasrophies......
In fact, when martial law is declared, whether by terrorism, via cyberattacks or otherwise (when, in a lot of predicated cases, it will be difficult/impossible to determine which caused what), the pretext will be such attacks (or due to bank runs/market crash) rather than y2k.
Were it not for Y2K, my prediction has been that the next major war/s
will be infowars and also, over water resources.
Ken, the danger of utter global collapse is out there staring you, me, and everyone in the face each and every minute. Banks are hacked into, money electronically stolen, and accounts tampered with every month, if not each week. IT control systems for power grids are hacked into on a regular basis.
....you are referring to something I have studied extensively...
Here's another freebie point for you in arguing your case...of all the programmers at all the US banks alone, by the law of averages, app. how many of them do you reasonably think, in their y2k efforts, will secretly be building firewalls/using the codes to later divert 'monies' to their own accounts?
Personally Ken, Y2K is the least of my worries when I let my sordid imagination run free to ponder the more disastrous scenarios.
......after a significant potential of accidental nuk launches (too bad you do not know about the Russian 'dead-hand' system), much less potentially intentional ones by rogue missile force commanders, much less same potential by the Chinese...
Y2K should be second...
case in point...
Ron, how long can you survive without safe water?
Ron, how much water are you storing, and what kind of filtration system will you be using?
Ron, how much storage food will you be purchasing, and when?
Ron, how many gallons of gas do you need per week to get to work?
Ron, how will you get to work if gas is unavailable/rationed to a level below your above answer?
Ron, how will you pay for survival necessities if your company is not y2k compliant, goes bankrupt, or cannot function due to utilities, etc,
Call the above questions 1-10, on a questionnaire of 1-90 questions I could ask you re: your own personnal survival!
But, I bet you won't even answer any of those!
Not Ron "Gosh, golly gee, I just want everything to be wonderful and normal!"
So give it a rest, Ken. You've probably now convinced most people that you are too emotionally involved in the issue and need to put it all in perspective to the relative risks we live with each day.
......a typical and illogical and disassociated pollyanna "please don't tell me its not going to be wonderful!!!", response!!!!!
Regards,
Ron
Ken "its too ......late and complex for Ron!"
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