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To: Patrick E.McDaniel who wrote (1)	3/23/1999 1:18:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Why go now? Pat: I don't know why the U.S and NATO want to go to Kosovo now,it is kind of too late ain't it? Milosovich has pretty much burned the placed down to the ground and massacred most of the Kosovans, the rest have fled. I don't even know why U.S wants to get involved at this late stage of the story,it is the goddamn Europeans who should have gone and helped the Kosovans, it is in their neighborhood for crying out loud,them imbeciles in Europe never want to do anything on their own,it appears they always want the Americans to do the dirty work for them,this is not the first time either,sheesh! If the U.S really wants to help Kosovo they should have done so alone or with the help of the Russians when it all started a while ago,not after Kosovo has been completely destroyed and most of her inhabitants murdered. This is a strange world indeed is all I am going to say.

To: Patrick E.McDaniel who wrote (1)	3/24/1999 2:46:00 PM
From: Patrick E.McDaniel	Respond to of 17770

The Secretary of Defense and the Chief of Staff will have a press conference at 5:00pm eastern time. Pat

To: Patrick E.McDaniel who wrote (1)	3/31/1999 10:18:00 PM
From: Patrick E.McDaniel	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Three U.S. Soldiers Missing In Macedonia WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three U.S. soldiers who reported they were under small arms fire and surrounded while traveling in a military vehicle in Macedonia are missing, a U.S. defense official said Wednesday. ''NATO forces and Macedonian police units are searching for a three-man reconnaissance team,'' the official, who asked not to be named, said. NATO is waging an air strike campaign on neighboring Yugoslavia where the United States says President Slobodan Milosevic has undertaken an ''ethnic cleansing'' campaign against ethnic Albanians in the southern province of Kosovo. The U.S. Army soldiers were traveling in the Kumanovo area in a military vehicle on a civilian road when they radioed they had come under ''small arms fire and said they were surrounded,'' the defense official said. ''There was nothing more heard from the patrol,'' the official said. Several U.S. military vehicles were conducting a routine patrol together when they began to move separately over rough terrain but maintained radio contact, the official said. ''Apparently at some point and time one of the Humvees ... reported to the others that he had began taking fire, then he reported that he was surrounded and that's the last they heard from him,'' the defense official said. All the soldiers and vehicles involved were American. The incident occurred at about 7:30 to 8 a.m. EST (1230 to 1300 GMT), 2:30 to 3 p.m. Macedonia time. ''The Humvees that were not involved with the shooting or the surrounding then began an active search for their companion,'' the defense official said. Whey they could not locate the missing soldiers or vehicle, they called back to their base and Black Hawk helicopters, two British helicopters, ground teams and Macedonian police units started searching for the missing soldiers. ''The search is ongoing,'' the official said. It was the first report of missing NATO forces since the air strikes began last week. A U.S. F-117 stealth fighter crashed last weekend, but the pilot was rescued. dailynews.yahoo.com Pat

To: Patrick E.McDaniel who wrote (1)	4/17/1999 2:38:00 PM
From: Alan Whirlwind	Respond to of 17770

Patrick, It probably does seem odd that so many otherwise hawks are down on this Balkan intervention. Here are some reasons that might help others understand this viewpoint. 1. The Serbs took Nazi bayonets in WWII to safeguard our downed fliers. In one case villagers watched the Germans burn their homes, some with people inside, and yet refused to turn over US fliers to the Axis. 500 of these fliers published a letter of solidarity with the Serbian people after Clinton started the bombing. Bombing these people indiscriminantly (trains, bus stations, playgrounds, etc) is a sorry way to pay them back. 2. This is a European problem. Why don't they take care of their own dirty business? The powers over there have plenty of arms to handle Milosevic. 3. We did not bomb when the Croates forced out the Serbs (500,000). In some cases Serbs were lined up and shot. Milosevic being an aggressor (if one can even sort this whole situation out and pigeonhole to this extent) does not excuse murder and "ethnic cleansing" on the part of Croatia. 4. Our bombs are killing hundreds of civilians and have actually made the refugee problem worse. To deny this is to accede to the desperate sort of propaganda now trying to keep this thing going. 5. There is no end in sight. The Serbs have hundreds of miles of tunnels honeycombing their mountains, some A-bomb proof, well stocked with arms and provisions, courtesy Tito who feared attack from both East and West. Milosevic could disband 2/3 of his army to plainclothes and send the rest to the mountains. Both groups could fight guerrilla war Central American style, only with better hardware to do it with. Thus even occupying the country would have a continuing high cost. 6. I agree that someone should start stopping these things at some point. But we are interfering in the internal affairs of another country. Should Europe have shelled and destroyed all of our ports during the Trail of Tears or when Sherman was marching to the sea? A better approach would have been to send diplomats from all over the world to Serbia to negotiate. Remember, the Serbs were willing to sign the Rambouillet Accords with the stipulation that no NATO troops be stationed on their soil. This was not asking too much and if they failed to live up to the signing, we always could have bombed later if we found it so necessary. 7. One might find the whole exercise suspect. The same yuppie liberals who coddled the Soviets while they killed a million Afghans and sent 5 million refugees fleeing the country, (1979 to 1989) and later allowed 1-2 million Ruwandans to die in mass murders that a few pistol shots could have stopped now want to work everyone up about Kosovo. I don't trust their motives given such inconsistancies. 8. Clinton bragged about his big tax surplus, which was really a Social Security trust fund surplus (of 10 billion) and now wants 9 billion to finance the war. Some of this money will come from funds which otherwise would have been set aside to help victims of Hurricane Mitch who still face disease and death from lack of clean water. Peter is being robbed to pay Paul. 9. Sure, Serbia did revoke the autonomy in the region of Kosovo, but it was in reaction to the smaller Serb population being harrassed and persecuted there. All parties involved here have soiled hands. And now my tax money is used to soil mine. 10. I'm not saying opinions favoring the present involvement aren't valid and humanitarian. I just don't trust anyone running this show anymore. --Alan