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To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (40870)3/25/1999 7:09:00 PM
From: Box-By-The-Riviera™  Respond to of 95453
 
Doug....you are staring to scare me when you talk like George Bush Sr. and Jr...... just say no.

Joel



To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (40870)3/25/1999 7:26:00 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 95453
 
Doug,
Good analysis on Kosovo. A few additional points:
The serbs have been on the loosing side in Kosovo since 1358 or thereabouts anf the reason there are only 10% Serbs left in kosovo is because the Albanian Muslim have been "ethnic cleansing' for over 600 years. The main backer of the KLA is none other that Iran, moving over from their victory in Sarajevo. I think the current situation is a major bummer but there is a useful proverb for situations like this: Meddling with two angry people is like grabbing a dog by the ears. You're gonna get bit, guaranteed.

<<Look deeper and I think you'll see the real reason behind the US intervention in the
Balkans....>>

Which is? All I could think of was the US trying to warm up with Iran agin(oil).



To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (40870)3/25/1999 7:37:00 PM
From: shust  Respond to of 95453
 
Doug-- Just wanted to tell you that you sound like a very well educated person.
I enjoy reading your posts. Great insight.

I just hope they don't bomb my grandmothers and the rest of my mothers families houses.

They (US) just have to stick their nose into some things without understanding. The average American loves the yeah lets go show our might. Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bunch of Timothy McVeigh's wreaking havoc overseas.

Back to oil discussions.

shust



To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (40870)3/25/1999 10:43:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 95453
 
Doug,

As an old Chechnya hand, I have to say that Yeltsin is full of ***, when he says that "Russia is morally superior to the US."

Ah, yes, and where was the United States when Russia was bombing Chechnya, indiscriminately killing civilians (ethnic Russians as well as Chechens), hauling men off to internment camps, smashing villages, destroying Grozny?

The ultimate death toll was anywhere from 20,000 to 50,000 (a lot for a very small province/country), and there were up to 100,000 refugees...Meanwhile, Bill Clinton, in Moscow, was patting Boris on the shoulder, and telling him that Americans understood, that they had had their civil war, too....What a laugh -- a civil war between a huge country and a tiny piece of it? At least Clinton did not compare Yeltsin to Abraham Lincoln! Be grateful for small things...

The point is that on the face of it, there is/was absolutely no difference between Chechnya and Kosovo. Both were autonomous regions within a larger state that subsequently fell apart, and both wanted independence from the rump state they were stuck in after the collapse...As a matter of fact, Russia has even less of a claim to Chechnya, an independent region until it was conquered and annexed by force of arms in the middle of the 19th century, than Yugoslavia has to Kosovo, which indeed WAS part of historic Serbia.

Is it just that Clinton was afraid of Yeltsin/Russia, and is not afraid of Milosevich/Yugoslavia? Is that all it boils down to?

I don't buy all this "sympathy" for the poor Kosovo Albanians. It is fake. Otherwise, why was there no sympathy for the poor Chechen civilians? There is not a single Chechen (or local Russian)family of my acquaintance that did not lose at least one member in Yeltsin's "civil" war.

And what about the Tutsis in Rwanda, not to speak of the Sudanese, not to speak of the...oh, the heck with it.

Thank you for allowing me to vent!

jbe