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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (600)	3/27/1999 5:49:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 765

Gustave: My brother is married to a black woman, and they rarely encounter even a bit of rudeness. Racism exists in the United States, but it has been waning for decades...

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (600)	3/27/1999 9:33:00 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 765

Gustave, Interesting take on cultural sub-currents in Europe. I appreciate it. As for the US, racism and prejudice will always exist so long as people decide to take the easy path in defining themselves and fellow man, rather than looking at the worth each of us possesses, especially if we try to seek excuses for our failures to accomplish what we think is our right. But I do think we're reaching the point where we can laugh at ourselves and our ignorant prejudices in the majority, even while the minority find their extremely racist or purist positions marginalized by reality. And this predjudice resides in all races, not merely whites. Regards, Ron

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (600)	3/27/1999 9:51:00 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 765

I agree with you one hundred percent Gustave. European "racism" is a much different animal than here in the States. In the US if an immigrant group makes it into the middle class, they become accepted after a time (blacks being an exception, because of their unique history here. And even they dont have it as bad as it is made out to be, tho thats a controversial statement). US immigrant history bears this out, Italians, Poles, Irish, even Koreans and Vietnamese. US racism is more of a "class" racism, over all. Here in Texas, the Mexicans have made superhuman efforts in forcing their way into the mainstream middle class, and you find Texas politicians and business bending over backwards for them. There is a lingering racism directed at Mexicans of poverty, but thats about it, and thats more a resentment of poverty than anything else. European racism seems to be just as you said, simple xenophobia. Those immigrant Turks, with a few exceptions as always, bust their butts, they work very hard and genuinely appreciate the opportunity they have in Germany, at least the Turks Ive spoken to there. But even if those Turks were lavishly affluent, there would be a hostility and resentment. A lot of that hostility, especially coming from the young East Germans while I was there, is cloaked in the old excuse of Turks "stealing jobs." But it seemed to me to be much more than that. I believe you hit the nail on the head. I never understood it, maybe because I am an American, and not European. Its a shame too, Turkish women are some of the most beautiful Ive ever seen, those German boys are fools ;) Its a complex issue, would make a great field study. Derek

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (600)	3/27/1999 10:29:00 AM
From: Eddy Blinker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 765

<Yet, European bourgeoisies stick to their wild dream of a pure white, christian, prosperous Europe that will prevent (Muslim) Barbarians from crossing the gate!> You sound pretty old Gustave as your repetitive mentioned European bourgeoisie is no longer intimidating anyone nowadays into any credo. <This fortress-minded feeling is even more rooted in Europe's military elites: only viscounts and barons can make it to the top, whether it's France, Germany, Great Britain: General Baron Francois-Xavier de Tartempion, Lt-Col. Lord Henry Blimp or Kolonel von Karajan.> Equally to your delivered misinformation to the thread about Turks not being able to get German citizenship, above statement is false. No reasonable person in Europe I know is interested in a military career for starters and soon enough the last old or senile dick heads who involved us into conflict after conflict are dead as well. Unfortunately as your postings display in black and white this is the kind of propaganda smearers discredit Germans with. <You're not gonna see some colored guy whose parents emigrated from Jamaica to the Bronx and who eventually could become Chief of Staff.> Who are you playing up to Gustave? You sound like a lusting beggar who wants a free ride by offering to lick madams toilet clean. ED