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To: Rambi who wrote (33516)	3/29/1999 9:03:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Respond to of 108807

As with most social changes, the cutting edge went well beyond what was sustainable. But a lot of the ethos did get adopted, and I think the culture overall is better off for it. I think actually that it should have adopted more, but we will perhaps have another wave. Too late for me to participate, unfortunately, though I rather fancy myself as a counterculture guru. Dress up in tribal gear and teach esoteric chants to admiring young females, not the worst lifestyle in the world for one who is fundamentally past it. Not that I am, really, but I will be by the time the tide changes. I actually wanted badly to be a hippie; lived for a while in a communal house with some leftovers from that era, dabbled in the form a bit. Bit of a trauma when I found out that I was too late. I couldn't be a hippie and wouldn't be a yuppie, so became a refugee. And look where it got me: kids, tuition, computers, stocks, etc, etc... There is no escape.

To: Rambi who wrote (33516)	3/29/1999 11:44:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

> But I don't believe that you can truly divide us from all that made us as if there were a sundering of all that joined us.< I concede that there was a spectrum of action and belief ranging from My Three Sons all the way to Carradine's Kung Fu - with perhaps the drug-spangled chaos of Hunter Thompson forming a third corner on the triangle! I do not seek to trivialize or belittle any of this - and I submit to my elder, wiser netsiblings regarding what it really was like back then. I gravitated toward the extreme or seminal end of the hippie movement, the folks who tried to drive the ethos to its logical conclusion. There is a tragic element in this in that it disengaged them from society as a whole. I realize that the war and the general social angst of the era muddied things tremendously - but I'm wondering out loud if the basic idea of the hippie movement had a sort of failure preprogrammed into it. "Ruleless relating", along with an agrarian simplism reminiscent of Gandhi's spinning wheel economy. A good bit of this has been retooled into the Earth First/ vegilante ethos. The many personal stories here today serve to advise me that the adaptation of the broad multifarious concepts and derivations of hippie thought and deed have shaped an entire generation. Perhaps these people tell of the partial synthesis of Establishment status quo with the more usable and aesthetically engaging hippie concepts. A lively hybrid that suffered tremendously in the dry climate of the Me Decade, the inheritance of my generation.

To: Rambi who wrote (33516)	3/30/1999 12:22:00 PM
From: Thomas C. White	Respond to of 108807

My own experience of that time left me somewhat jaundiced, both during and also looking back on it. I was probably to a great extent in the "moderate" wing of things -- did more than just buy bells, smoke dope and say hello to longhaired friends with a peace sign. Went to big protests in New York and waved placards, spent the summer with Quakers who were at the heart of the antiwar movement et. al. However, I also saw a lot of subconscious duplication of the things that these people condemned -- politically ossified idealogues spouting platitudes, just different ones; hierarchies and ranks developing, the same as the "Establishment," only with rank determined by different criteria (not property but ideological purity).