With its "groupthink" attitude and refusal to consider any negative opinions, the TSIG thread has been the most depressing thread I have followed on SI. It's really sad to see people like Ditchdigger, Tidegilder and yourself attacked just for expressing an honest opinion. Although Ditchdigger warned us all about the floorless PP, and turned out to be right, nobody has apologized for all the insults they have thrown at him.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your assessment of this thread and people on it. "Groupthink?" Maybe too much is open to pure interpretation, I don't know, but I see some - including myself - who DO ask questions and seek answers. No "groupthink" mentality in that. There have been several issues lately that have come up and been discussed, picked apart, questioned, etc. And there is so much information (good and bad) in this recent 10K that is still being absorbed. The past 24 hours or so of posts on this thread haven't been what I'd call highlights of it (wry grin here), but the discussion the other night mostly between MskiHntr and Ditchdigger was actually level-headed and informative. Very much so, in fact.
Yes, Ditchdigger was correct in that the debentures are floorless and I believe he knows people on this thread know that. From past experience I do view what he posts with a skeptical eye, and for good reason, but on this he was correct.
As far as Zeev and TideGlider, there is yet to be what I personally could call "an honest opinion" forthcoming from them. Honest opinion? And based on what?
There is no way at this time to know without doubt that Zeev is or is not an "expert" on debentures. However, it is obvious to me that he IS knowledgeable and I for one was actually looking forward to what knowledge & opinion(s) he could offer this thread's discussion.
But what did we get? Nothing. At least in my book. He's barely read anything on which to base an opinion.
From Message 8680148
"I do not know the nature of the debentures here"
and
"It is not worth my while to look into it in more detail."
While financing was obviously necessary, the fact that it is what it is is not something I'm happy about. However, the business plan, as being executed, is what has & keeps me here. Zeev apparently is not aware of it (the business plan) and is also apparently unwilling to become aware of it. If he was and is, then I for one would be quite willing - maybe even eager - to hear what he has to say about it, just as I am interested in others' opinions when they are based on facts and knowledge. I reserve the right to weigh others' opinions against my own and make my own decisions, however.
Who knows? Maybe "friendship" or "alliance" with Ditchdigger colors his judgement? I can't say for sure. Zeev seems to be more open though about possibilities and potential if it is a stock or company HE likes.
For example:
Message 8673069
"a.j, don't leave us in suspense, larger than 1 carat, sounds good, but could we hope that it is larger than the "Hope"?"
Message 8674857
"aj, well, I was hoping... Yet if your report is correct and they got a one carat plus gem quality stone, there is real hope for a mine."
He considers potential for other companies:
Message 8671643
"Ray, whether the shares of AIPN are rationally or irrationally low really depends on what one could "forecast" as the outlook for AIPN."
See what I mean? Maybe if he was willing to take the time to become more knowledgeable of TSIG he would be more open to the potential? At the very least his opinion would then be based on something.
And as for TideGlider, several of us have asked questions which go unanswered (including whether or not he has even researched TSIG), as he seems more intent on wasting time & space here with his personal feelings and mere one-liners in attempts to engage people in argument.
Is there anything other than that and TSIG-specific here in these posts?:
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Recent messages posted by TideGlider
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Shorts boxed with a convertible (floorless) debenture have no downside. They w
#23432, Apr 3 1999 2:35AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
No helping you...nope...to smart for that aren't you.
#23431, Apr 3 1999 2:33AM
WebNode.com - $4B Contract for Next Generation Internet
You sir are obviously oblivious to the value of the nodes or future nodes cont
#255, Apr 3 1999 2:30AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
They get paid to represent....$...if they are paid..they will come.That is how
#23430, Apr 3 1999 2:26AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Very nice touch quick draw...
#23428, Apr 3 1999 2:12AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
You are correct. One of few..
#23425, Apr 3 1999 12:55AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Real companies have not the hidden probs BBs have.
#23424, Apr 3 1999 12:50AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Yes did I spell yadda yada wrong?
#23423, Apr 3 1999 12:44AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
yaday yaday yada later son...
#23390, Apr 2 1999 10:17PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Yep...time will tell. Been here before...I don't hate anyone on this thread a
#23389, Apr 2 1999 10:15PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Pretty cool of you to do that. Posting an email is frightening...
#23387, Apr 2 1999 10:13PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Than toast me my little****8 ooops...just back *s* my little ill mannered f
#23386, Apr 2 1999 10:06PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
yes Zeev: I guess we have to trust the company regarding issues that reflect s
#23384, Apr 2 1999 10:05PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Thanks Doc: But hasn't this corp and previous been in negative shareholder 3eq
#23382, Apr 2 1999 9:58PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Damn: Hehe see ya all in the morning...too much and I have other attentions.
#23375, Apr 2 1999 9:50PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Not true: What I think you will see in the near future is people asking just w
#23372, Apr 2 1999 9:46PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Dr Zeev: I have tried over and over to explain negative shareholder value cert
#23371, Apr 2 1999 9:44PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
For the brilliant exchange of ideas.
#23353, Apr 2 1999 6:57PM
TSIG.COM*****EXPLOSIVE NEW MUSIC WEBSITE*****
This is not your private pump or promo board..I own a lifetime piece of it..*s
#225, Apr 2 1999 6:48PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Not short...not long. No pecuniary interest at all. Not in the past or ever in
#23345, Apr 2 1999 6:46PM
TSIG.COM*****EXPLOSIVE NEW MUSIC WEBSITE*****
Zbyte-it! You win...you slay me...You are a hero. Now buy more. It is a great
#223, Apr 2 1999 6:44PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Why do you think the PR firm hired by the company makes a link between the com
#23343, Apr 2 1999 6:42PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Well Chuck..as usual you are wrong again. Always shorters and shakers...you do
#23342, Apr 2 1999 6:39PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
They work for anyone that pays them...you pay...they play. Isn't that how it w
#23341, Apr 2 1999 6:36PM
Amazon Natural (AZNT)
They may already be under surveillance...why double they effort..*s*
#21819, Apr 2 1999 6:26PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
I don't have problems, at least out of mortgage payments and taking out the ga
#23338, Apr 2 1999 6:25PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Because I was suspended prior to that for saying *two sh$ts* twice when I reac
#23326, Apr 2 1999 6:04PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Ok...I suggest and without concern for being incorrect that you should invest
#23324, Apr 2 1999 6:01PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Mark..maybe you don't read the sh&t slung at me or DD....Thanks for at least r
#23323, Apr 2 1999 5:53PM
TSIG.COM*****EXPLOSIVE NEW MUSIC WEBSITE*****
>>Yo Dude<<< Thanks for your input Bart but you don't own the th
#221, Apr 2 1999 5:47PM
TSIG.COM*****EXPLOSIVE NEW MUSIC WEBSITE*****
Ahh..but my post was directly related to you desire...not mine...go for it..I
#219, Apr 2 1999 4:49PM
Amazon Natural (AZNT)
Yes..that is why the Panama canal was so easy to build...*s*
#21817, Apr 2 1999 4:44PM
TSIG.COM*****EXPLOSIVE NEW MUSIC WEBSITE*****
Sure...dont try this at home boys and girls...but all ya got to do for a start
#217, Apr 2 1999 4:41PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Here is an analogy that is simple but slips by us at times..
#23311, Apr 2 1999 4:35PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
>>I won't argue with you. I will believe what I want to believe<<<
#23310, Apr 2 1999 4:29PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Yes..be a fortune 500 company and come back with the argument. All I see ar lo
#23307, Apr 2 1999 4:11PM
Amazon Natural (AZNT)
Jan..did you ever consider that they may be on vacation or in the amazon fores
#21815, Apr 2 1999 4:09PM
TSIG.COM*****EXPLOSIVE NEW MUSIC WEBSITE*****
Zbyte...why not just poke your ear drums, eyes, etc...than you can just wait t
#215, Apr 2 1999 4:06PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
All have a happy Holiday or at least a time off *s*
#23304, Apr 2 1999 4:03PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
what in the hell was that?
#23303, Apr 2 1999 4:01PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
At least he told you the truth. It is stimulating and comforting to hear nice
#23302, Apr 2 1999 3:59PM
1st Net Technologies ( FNTT )
Wow..glad you posted that er..uh doody!!
#1236, Apr 2 1999 3:47PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
He sounds like Rich or Merfeld
#23265, Apr 2 1999 12:53PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
weak hands leaving? Few probably...selling from folks you don't know and proba
#23197, Apr 2 1999 3:26AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
wow...predone DD what a fascinating idea. I saw this before...they called it
#23196, Apr 2 1999 3:20AM
WebNode.com - $4B Contract for Next Generation Internet
Nah..this is the real McCoy..bet my retirement money on it.
#163, Apr 2 1999 1:51AM
WebNode.com - $4B Contract for Next Generation Internet
You have no idea the problems for which you seem to ask.
#159, Apr 2 1999 1:21AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
The revenue doesn't mean that much. They make money either way. If people see
#23189, Apr 2 1999 1:15AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Ellen: Very good post! People need to learn as much as possible. We tend to t
#23185, Apr 2 1999 1:05AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
>>>The big question,will they short against
#23184, Apr 2 1999 1:00AM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Anytime. I can also provide you with other links for searching if you desire.
#23051, Apr 1 1999 7:19PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
freeedgar.com
#23048, Apr 1 1999 7:11PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Well JC gonna have to let you have this one since this is your special weekend
#23046, Apr 1 1999 7:06PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Excuse me Mr. Mayor, but these threads are for pro and con not strictly for pr
#23045, Apr 1 1999 6:57PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Perhaps you should read the fearful "where's REW" posts from this afternoon...
#23044, Apr 1 1999 6:55PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
So why not listen to what people have to say. Don't close your eyes and ears.
#23018, Apr 1 1999 4:44PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
You can short any stock. Especially if you are boxing.
#23016, Apr 1 1999 4:38PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Why didn't you warn people here what happens to convertible debentures? Why it
#23007, Apr 1 1999 4:16PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
My presence is here as a participant in a stock thread. Yours appears to be th
#23000, Apr 1 1999 4:08PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
A person need not be called an idiot if he sells or buys.
#22979, Apr 1 1999 3:46PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
I remember some folks calling DitchDigger all kinds of names. Making all kinds
#22973, Apr 1 1999 3:38PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
The employees don't need options. They all have plenty to sell. If you think
#22968, Apr 1 1999 3:14PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Below is the chart of a STAR NAZ stock that was at 100 and a split coming. THe
#22959, Apr 1 1999 3:10PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
You may be seeing a short against the box. Technically against the convertible
#22952, Apr 1 1999 3:03PM
WebNode.com - $4B Contract for Next Generation Internet
I would play the options. Calls on all nodes and node contracts for the first
#61, Apr 1 1999 2:58PM
WebNode.com - $4B Contract for Next Generation Internet
The purchase of the node is a smarter investment. You will always have that. T
#56, Apr 1 1999 2:36PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Convertable debentures offer a grand way to short against a box. No way of lo
#22942, Apr 1 1999 2:31PM
NNZA * ANY INFO APPRECIATED
Was Back and Neck the Po Fokes chicken concern?
#204, Apr 1 1999 2:08PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
The are no mental institutions on Long Beach Island. No much of anything else
#22935, Apr 1 1999 2:07PM
TSIG.com (TSIG)
Try this site to find out how these folks get rich..
Maybe if they wanted to and could discuss TSIG, the "welcome" they receive would be different. And add to the discussion here. I would welcome it.
Speaking only for myself, for now I can only consider the source. Not what they say. At least not with any weight. |
