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To: Scumbria who wrote (54216)4/5/1999 10:22:00 AM
From: Elmer  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1573458
 
Re: "To give you an idea of how fast their ramp has been- 8 months ago I reported that IBM had manufactured some sample 400 Mhz K6 parts, and was laughed at hysterically by Mr's. Engel and Yousef who informed me that K6 wasn't going to get much past 300 Mhz. Today they passed Intel's PII clock speeds and will soon deliver a 600 MHz 0.25u part."

Pretty impressive, I agree, but this is a business. So when will they post a profit?

EP



To: Scumbria who wrote (54216)4/5/1999 12:10:00 PM
From: Process Boy  Respond to of 1573458
 
Scumbria - AMD's aggressive manufacturing approach

Scumbria, I actually agree with you, if everything goes well for AMD, it will actually be a horse race.

I just hope the guys running the show at Intel realize this, and have a response.

Waiting anxiously for the second half of this year,

PB



To: Scumbria who wrote (54216)4/5/1999 12:24:00 PM
From: semi_infinite   Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1573458
 
Here's some interesting info from an ng...can't vouch for authenticity

<I work tech support at a computer wholeseller and enduser seller.
I test all things computer all damn day.

Intel smokes AMD is support and speed.
Les look at this one.

Microsoft makes the operating systems.
Microsoft supports intel processors more than AMD, so could we expect faster
computing straight out of setup froom AMD and win98? No. Need a stupid
patch to run anything in 3dNow accelerated registers. The difference
respectfully is:

AMD k6-3 333 running generic game loop demo no 3dnow technology:
say 30 frames per sec
ok, now with 3dnow:
say 31.5 frames per sec(wow huge difference)

Intel p2-333 running same hardware same company motherboard etc:
say 32 frames per sec
already better, and you can overclock that thing to push up the frames to
like 50, why would you want to use AMD?

I have tested the k5, k6, k6-2, k6-3, k7(early sample with motherboard),
cyrix 4x86, 5x86, 6x86, intel 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, 80486x2, 80486x4,
80586, 80586mmx, celeron, p2, p3 oems

I know what the difference is. Intel's new p3's have 133 bus speed and
consequently the agp has a low(100) 2/3 speed, they're going for the high
speed as well as the support guys, if you can't figure that out, yer just
plain ignorant.

So what if AMD reaches a gigahert main platform pc before intel, it'll still
be lagging because of support. Ever bought a 3rd party manufactured sdram?
Like taiwan chips on a NEC ramboard? How well did yer computer like that?
It didn't. I couldn't really tell how fast the k7 system I tested was,
because I compared it to a p3-533(133x4.0) k7-600(200x3.0)

Tested all sorts of cpuload programs specially designed by both parties, and
the p3-533 was only 10mhz test below the k7-600 on both tests.

the damn k7 motherboard also drew too many watts for my power box to
handle(250 watt box). kept shutting down like 5 minutes into the test even
though the board was reletively cool.

Point is, intel is still the king and their r&d dept is not lacking in any
way, they're just sacrificing unused mhz in the name of support.

Don't assume cuz k7's have a 200bus that they will be faster than intel,
they're just overclocking their slot1 (100 on way in, 100 on way out, same
way agp2x does it)

So, after all things considered, yah the k7 outperforms the fastest p3 i
could get my hands on(barely). Ok the k7 is going to cost less on the mass
production, but when the p3-600+ hit the market, everyone is going to buy
them for one reason and it isn't a stupid marketing ploy. They are as fast
as you can get for the money, and everyone and their mother is supporting
them and not AMD.

Believe me I wish AMD sold processors, but as it is, even the k3-450s are a
poor man's shortcut to high megahertz. If people fell for prices alone, AMD
would be doing huge business, but who cares when ya can even overclock a
p3-450 to 633 with more volts/watts. (done it, kicks k7's ass all over)

Oh yah, l2-cache sucks, just thought I'd point that out, even though that
was a main-point of k7 architecture. Not only sucks, but sucks BIIIIG time.
It BARELY makes any difference at all unless they find some way to speed up
the nano's on them.

Gotta admit, the new copper processors are fast, good ol' copper.
Have fun AMDers, hope it sells, cuz I aint falling for price over support
again.
-John Doh! Es>