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To: George Coyne who wrote (41650)	4/5/1999 1:02:00 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 67261

Well, I agree it has logic, but if you take divine judgement and mercy away then you find that there are many opportunities to ignore the Golden Rule for personal gain. It becomes a matter of convenience. So the principle of the Golden Rule like everything else comes to them as a fallable guideline at best. Though it has its usefulness, I must say, materialism is a much more solid standard for the Atheist. Somewhat the reverse for people of faith in an all powerful creator and sustainer of the universe.

To: George Coyne who wrote (41650)	4/5/1999 1:37:00 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 67261

The "golden rule" is the most logically reasonable of all dictums. Depends on what your goals are. It isn't logical if your goal is to maximize your short term personal power/wealth/gratification. Without an external judge, why is that goal inferior to a goal of maximizing the group's well being?

To: George Coyne who wrote (41650)	4/5/1999 4:16:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

McCain: U.S. Should Prepare for Kosovo Ground War 4.12 p.m. ET (2012 GMT) April 4, 1999 WASHINGTON — The United States should be preparing its troops for a ground war in Kosovo in case that option becomes necessary, Senator John McCain said Sunday. McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, said it was vital for the future of NATO to secure a victory over the forces of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic in Kosovo. Asked on CBS television's Face the Nation show whether he would have been willing to commit ground forces in Kosovo if he had been president, McCain said, "I would have started (long ago) preparing in case I need to use that option." "It is absolutely necessary in a war that you are prepared to do whatever is necessary to gain victory. We must do that. We have to do that now and I hope that that option isn't necessary but for us not to be prepared is a terrible mistake. You can't win a war if you're not going to wage it," said McCain. Earlier on Sunday, U.S. National Security Adviser Sandy Berger said it was not in America's national interest to invade Kosovo. In response, McCain, an Arizona Republican, said, "It is in our national interest now and the interest of the maintenance of the future of NATO that we win this conflict so therefore for us to rule out any of the capability we have to bring this war to a successful conclusion is a mistake." McCain, asked about remarks by Berger that time was on NATO's side, replied, "This situation needs to be remedied and remedied quickly and the only way we're going to be able to do that is bring the full might of American military and NATO capability to bear. "Remember this is a guy that got beat by the Croatian army. This is a place the size of Ohio with 10 million people. We can, will and must prevail otherwise the consequences to our credibility, the future of NATO and not to mention the tragedy ensuing as we speak, will weigh heavily on our conscience and on our future." McCain, 62, a former Navy pilot, outlined what his own tactics would be. "The bombing would be widespread and very, very significant." He said: "I don't like this gradual escalation. I've seen it before. Go in heavily and that means you'll see civilian casualties, and I feel terrible about that, but that pales in comparison to what we're seeing happening..." His advice was: "Get your forces ready, get them ready at least to move into Kosovo but do whatever is necessary. We should have the capability ready but I believe the Apache helicopter is a step in the right direction, but it's got to be part of a significant buildup." Berger on Sunday announced that the United States had deployed Apache helicopter gunships to the region. In separate remarks in Time magazine and the New York Times, McCain said "overwhelming force" needed to be used. "In Pyongyang and Baghdad and Tripoli, they are paying close attention," he told the Times. "The costs of failure are infinitely greater than the price of victory," McCain told Time. "Can anyone contemplate the prospect of taking our leave of this century with the greatest defensive alliance in history in tatters after losing a war in Europe?" In the Times, McCain said news of the three captured Americans had particularly hit him as a former POW. "It did bring back a few memories of when I was first captured," he said, "which I rarely ever think about."