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To: D. Long who wrote (1797)	4/5/1999 8:25:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	Respond to of 17770

>>"This third camp consists of hand-wringing, teary eyed individuals who like to make the impression that they are the most compassionate person in any group,................."<< Yeah, I know what you mean. The "animal rights" crazies are the same way. Every time I see them picketing a fur store I get so mad that I eat a mink for breakfast. Jim

To: D. Long who wrote (1797)	4/5/1999 9:17:00 PM
From: Rose Rose	Respond to of 17770

>>This third camp consists of hand-wringing, teary eyed individuals who like to make the impression that they are the most compassionate person in any group, and therefor chase every "humanitarian crisis" they are exposed to, all the while not willing to do a damn thing about it.<< I don't know to whom you are referring, D. Long, but since Raven and I have been the most outspoken about the refugee crisis on this board, I assume you are referring to us. Your insinuation that I am not willing to do "a damn thing about it" is not only insulting, but ignorant as well. You don't know a damn thing about me. I can only presume that you yourself are incapable of compassionate thoughts (much less compassionate deeds) and thus are unable to comprehend the existence of such thoughts and deeds in other. >> They cry and moan both about military action and inaction, and after they are done posting they drive home in their SUV and watch CNN on their $2000 TV. Then they lay their heads down comfortable in the fact that they dont have to worry, theyre safe. Hypocrites. << Sheer ignorance. I own neither an SUV nor an expensive television. I post from my home. What, exactly, I am "doing about it" is my business. The fact that I am doing something about it doesn't mean that I am "better" than someone who simply writes a check, or someone who can do nothing but say a few silent prayers for those who are suffering, or even someone who is too busy in his/her own life to even pay attention to what is happening. But it does mean that I am "better" than someone who takes time out of his day to belittle and poke fun at people who are dying. If you feel threatened by this -- and it's obvious you do -- than perhaps you should take the time to measure your own conscience. Rose

To: D. Long who wrote (1797)	4/5/1999 9:26:00 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Let me get this straight. We have now divied this thread into three camps; 1. Hand wringing, humanitistic, hypocrites; 2. Gung Ho, blood hungry, armchair generals and; 3. Pathetic, shameful, cowards; Hmmm...just wanted to get this right

To: D. Long who wrote (1797)	4/6/1999 12:11:00 AM
From: RavenCrazy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

D. Long, who writes: >>Although I disagree with you on the two camps point. There is a third camp. This third camp consists of hand-wringing, teary eyed individuals who like to make the impression that they are the most compassionate person in any group, and therefor chase every "humanitarian crisis" they are exposed to, all the while not willing to do a damn thing about it. They cry and moan both about military action and inaction, and after they are done posting they drive home in their SUV and watch CNN on their $2000 TV. Then they lay their heads down comfortable in the fact that they dont have to worry, theyre safe. Hypocrites.<< ___ Who the hell do you think you are to know so much about people whose interests lie in the humanitarian needs of the refugees? We have a poster here who came to this message board in search of info as she begins to try to get together enough money to fly to Skopje with medicine samples we think we can collect from clinics (I did this for Central America, and it's doable). This person does not currently have the fare for such a plane ticket, much less the cost of being there. But she's trying to dig it up. She doesn't drive home in her SUV but, rather, in a quite old simple car. She doesn't watch CNN on her 2000-dollar TV. She has a simple little under-$200 TV. But yes, she drops her change into the cans for local pet shelters. And she writes letters to editors on needs people have. Mostly, she cares. Now she thinks she might be able to gather the funds to make this trip, for which she is criticized for being such a hypocrite. And YOU, who have presented no case for ever having had a humanitarian thought in your life, have the gall to say, as if you know her, that she "lays <sic> her head down comfortable in the fact that she doesn't have to worry, she's safe." "all the while not willing to do a damn thing about it." No, you pompous, cold fool, that description of RoseRose is an utter lie that you have no right whatsoever to push. She is a young woman who has never even been able to travel outside this country. She has a family. And a conscience. And she IS willing to do something about it. She is willing to travel dangerously to a place where she can bring what little aid she can collect and donate her time to caring for the children of refugee mothers who need rest. I am so proud of her that the positivism of such feelings even washes away my utter disgust of people like you, so self-righteous that you think you have a right to post a deceptive description of the person in question. You, sir, are a fool, a cold fool, and I pity you. I, on the other hand am a very, very proud mother. Raven - further discussion on collecting needed aid and getting it to Macedonia can be found through K_refugees@hotmail.com