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To: JB2 who wrote (30483)	4/6/1999 6:39:00 AM
From: Oblomov	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86076

There is more concentration of power now in terms of media ownership and control than there ever has been. Just because the 30 million is split up over 8 Time-Warner media channels is immaterial. If online culture has liberated us from the "limited choice" of the past, then why isn't there more political change being driven from the grassroots? Just because I can post on SI does not mean that I have more impact as a citizen than I did 30 years ago. In fact, spending time here or elsewhere on the Web may just be a substitute for more useful activity. Today, we are less able to escape from media in one form or another. Is this necessarily a good thing? AA

To: JB2 who wrote (30483)	4/6/1999 8:25:00 AM
From: IceShark	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 86076

Talk about absolute drivel, you take the cake buster. -s-

To: JB2 who wrote (30483)	4/6/1999 11:29:00 AM
From: Bonnie Bear	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 86076

I am horrified that you believe this, and it only proves my point. I live in a neighborhood where my neighbors are Indian, Vietnamese, Mexican, Chinese, African-American, white, gay, old people, children, fat people, thin people, poor folks, filthy rich folks, you name it. I love living here because of the openness and diversity. Everybody has adopted things from their homeland to bring here, the neighborhood store carries things for everybody, the curry and tortillas and black bean sauce sit in the refrigerator together just fine. Yet when I see the media, the TV, MSNBC, it is horribly unspeakably geared for upper-class male WASPs and it is getting worse by the day. Women are still presented as big-boobed brainless bimbos on TV, they all look the same to me, as though the media pulls a standard CAD drawing and finds one that matches. Violent crime against women and minorities exploded after the Monica thing was dismissed, for the first time in my life I am afraid to travel by myself. Blacks and hispanics cannot get into UC Berkeley after they eliminated their equal-opportunity policy in the name of "democracy". And on the internet, I am treated with great respect if I use a male name and horribly flamed and ridiculed if I use a female name. After twenty years in the workforce as a female techie, things have gotten worse- much worse- in the last two years for my ilk. CNBC has eliminated all but the most token minorities from its programming. When the media looks and acts like the people in my neighborhood, and voices their interests and concerns, I will believe you. You are brainwashed. There is no product here, no new media or technology that wasn't provided free from Uncle Sam. I've never paid for software or internet, I don't use Microsoft or Dell or Cisco products, I have to go down the food chain to Sun and WCOM to find anything that remotely resembles reality. You, my friend, are brainwashed by a financial community that sells stock, keeps "inventory" and makes money on volatility. The rest is a Ponzi scheme. Your abilities in the stock market is based on your talent on picking the Ponzi scheme that you can ride the longest without screwing you. Bonds are a different animal, tho. And as for cameras, satellites and cable...I've been using the internet since 1980 (darpanet) The internet is still owned by the military, it can be shut down in times of national emergency. One of these days, it will have to be tested, and people will be shocked. I liked the internet much better when it wasn't commercialized, I find it increasingly depressing and irritating to use. If anything, the internet has perpetrated groupthink..imagine an AOL-like mania of rich neo-nazis. I will believe you when people that look like the folks in my neighborhood are allowed stock options and allowed to be executives and sit on the boards of these media companies. Until then, you might want to think twice.