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To: Bonnie Bear who wrote (30595)	4/6/1999 11:35:00 AM
From: MythMan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86076

you're going to have to do something about those fat people -g-

To: Bonnie Bear who wrote (30595)	4/6/1999 11:36:00 AM
From: IceShark	Respond to of 86076

He, he he. Go get 'em. BB. -g-

To: Bonnie Bear who wrote (30595)	4/6/1999 11:56:00 AM
From: bill meehan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86076

BB: You must really LOVE that online broker's commercial with the jogging women. It makes my skin crawl and I think I've seen it a thousand times.

To: Bonnie Bear who wrote (30595)	4/6/1999 11:58:00 AM
From: wlheatmoon	Respond to of 86076

BB- bravo......bring the damn walls down.

To: Bonnie Bear who wrote (30595)	4/6/1999 1:07:00 PM
From: JB2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86076

So basically you are saying you think things in general are getting worse? I don't see how you can believe that, imho women have MUCH MUCH better opportunities now than they did 20 yrs. ago. My mother was a student at a public college in the early 60's, when "living together" was socially unacceptable, and when she married her boyfriend she had to quit college, as they did not allow married women to be students! I have gay friends and relatives, and in any previous generation they would have no where near the freedom to be themselves that they do now. I also live in a diverse innercity neighborhood and it amazes me (but does not "horrify" me) the # of whitebread people that would rather commute and live in sterile sameness in the suburbs when they could have sidewalks that lead to four lovely parks within a mile from their house, and complete shopping nearby, and they might even be able to bike to work. But they choose to keep their distance, and that is their choice. You seem to have a somewhat narrow view of tv, because from what I see there are channels for hispanics, blacks, and various varieties of classes. There's only one CNBC, and they do cater to the moneyed, but there are several stations with many programs that cater to other types in our society. When Sally Jessy Raphael sat in on a Portland town hall program a while back, she was attacked by upper middle class white people who found her program distasteful. She asked them why they thought tv should only provide a voice for the rich and successful. They had no good answer. I am a product of public schools and I know they are mandated to allow anyone in, in fact admissions standards have been dropping for public universities nationwide. If anyone, regardless of identity, cannot swing the tuition or qualify for admission to a branch of the Univ. of California, they most certainly can get into another public university. Remember when California offered free tuition to state residents? Well they can no longer afford to do that, but now the state of Georgia does. I don't believe there is ANY correlation between the alleged fact that violent crime exploded against women after the president's former mistress spoke to Barbara Wawa on tv. That sounds like a contrived, distorted manipulation of the truth, that fluid mercurial ideal you spoke of earlier. (see Saul's the Doubter's Companion for a good definition of "truth") As for people at the bottom of the corporate ladder getting stock options, go to work packing boxes at Amazon and you'll get them. I have one pat response to women who aspire to higher offices: If you don't like the glass ceilings, get the heck out of the building---create your own structure, and plenty of women are doing just that! Lead, don't follow. If you happened to watch C-Span Saturday night you would have seen an insightful several hours of discussion with former governor Ann Richards, and with former welfare mother, Star Parker. Both addressed the issues of class and opportunity, and both encouraged the less well off to take part in the existing system and stake out their piece of the pie. Yes it is hard to start at the bottom, it involves sacrifice, but it is doable. Do we live in a utopia, no, but I believe a very large part of the problems you cite have to do with lack of appreciation, or maybe lack of awareness of, the bountiful opportunities available to those with a positive attitude in this country. You sound disgruntled with your current job situation, maybe that is coloring your worldview? Look at Ken Hamblin's book "Pick a Better Country" and Dennis Prager's "Think a Second Time" for another viewpoint. Prager is jewish and Hamblin is black, in case you are biased against wasp males.