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To: nuke44 who wrote (2141)	4/6/1999 5:07:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 17770

My point was that only an agent provacateur for the Serbs or a complete moron would try to blame the atrocities committed by Serbian forces on anyone, ANYONE, but the Serbs themselves. You can't see beyond direct to indirect causation. That's your problem. Yes, the Serbs are the direct committers of the atrocities. Yes, they are responsible. But so are we. If I know that committing illegal act A will result in person X committing illegal act B, and I go ahead and commit illegal act A, and X goes ahead and commits illegal act B, then X is responsible for and can be prosecuted for crime B. But I am also responsible and can also be prosecuted for crime B, even if I didn't take direct part in it. And my culpability is of the same level as A's. We knew that if we bombed (illegally), then SM would ratchet up his (also illegal) attacks on Kosovo. We chose to bomb. SM racheted up the attacks. SM is directly responsible for the refugee status. But we are also legally and morally responsible. Period. You want a different rule of life, go find another planet to live on. That always has been, is now, and always will be the rule on this planet.

To: nuke44 who wrote (2141)	4/6/1999 5:56:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 17770

Recent story in the Washington Post shows the clear connection between our decision to bomb and SM's decision to start the destruction of Kosovo in earnest. An exerpt: The assault on Pec foreshadowed the emptying days later of Pristina, the capital of Kosovo and its largest city. And it provided the first signal to the region of the scale of the refugee crisis that would soon engulf it. It also adds to mounting evidence, gathered from the testimony of refugees and the analysis of Western officials, that the mass expulsion of Kosovo's majority ethnic Albanian population was a premeditated act, systematically carried out and timed to begin as the first NATO bombs fell. URL: washingtonpost.com

To: nuke44 who wrote (2141)	4/7/1999 1:10:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

nuke--- While I agree that the Serbians are responsible for their own atrocities, and that there was justification to intervene in some manner, the Administration has not taken adequate thought to the various possible consequences of its actions, and has failed to listen to military advice, and the result has been a fiasco. We have little alternative than to try and repair some of the damage, and to salvage some of NATO's honor, but this is not something of which to be proud, and we have hurt our position in the world because of it.