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To: PROLIFE who wrote (25055)	4/7/1999 5:08:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Dan, I certainly don't pretend to be an expert on Christianity or the bible, but I am smart enough to know that there is an element of compassion in Christianity. <<Alcoholism is a sin, not a disease. The only cure for sin is the blood of Christ, not some AA meeting. AA meetings are more addictive than alcohol and do nothing for the sinful drunkard who has never know Christ.>> The absolute meanness and spitefulness that is inherent in these comments is shocking and has nothing to do with religion. It has much to do with arrogance and ignorance. << AA meetings are more addictive than alcohol and do nothing for the sinful drunkard who has never know Christ. >> The implication here is that there are no true believers who are alcoholics. Obviously that is false. There are true believers of all faiths that are sadly victims of this horrible disease. If these words of Emile's don't prove to all here that he is consumed with a self righteous hatred, I don't know what will. Mark

To: PROLIFE who wrote (25055)	4/7/1999 6:02:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 39621

Dan, Nothing wrong with Christians counseling other Christians about alcoholism but for a Christian to lean upon the support of the world to crack their addiction is IMO unfruitful. In talking to those who were once alcoholics they told me that what places like AA do is to make you finally face your problems. In the words of one instructor "they bring the reality that you've struck bottom by bringing it right up into your face... lost careers, lost family, lost motivation and lost hope, then its up to you to either accept of deny all charges. What's sad is that what's offered in return are only the carnal desires that they once enjoyed before ever turning alcohol. Even if they are successful in turning away from the bottle they are still left spiritually destitute. I believe that a Christian should already know that they are born of corruption and without the saving arm of God will fall headlong into any and every vise that sin offers. Those who think that, "I would never be capable of doing that" are under a strong delusion. I also believe that alcoholism is a symptom of sin. Sin always produces sickness, disease and death so why just treat the symptom? We must deal with the main issue with brought those symptoms on.....SIN. We are never judged for our diseases but we are judged for our sin. Wouldn't it be ludicrous for a drunkard to come before the lord and say he has no sin, and couldn't figure out why God had ever sent that disease into his life? Chris