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To: jbe who wrote (34385)	4/11/1999 1:38:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Joan, I was actually referring to the Old Testament in my original post. After all, we have no stories of Jesus doing anything following the resurrection. But I do recall some vague quote from the New Testament in which he speaks to his mother (Mary) in terms like (and I am paraphrasing here) "Woman, what have I to do with thee?". That is hardly "honoring thy mother". But I am far from a biblical scholar. TTFN, CTC

To: jbe who wrote (34385)	4/12/1999 12:19:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<We are talking about the Jesus that people read about in the Gospels. That Jesus unequivocally condemns killing. >> Chuzz's post reminded me of this comment, and i recall from the exchange of last night that Jesus did say that if one called someone a fool one would burn in hellfire, which seems to me a lot worse than just killing them, if you believe it. And remember that he affirmed the whole of the Law in which varieties of killing were endorsed (including killing your disobedient sons.) E. It's probably correct to say that Jesus had an interest in strife-reduction within the Jewish community. There is a thread that links a variety of admonitions in this way-- including the instruction not to bother God with your oaths, not to go to court with your problems (because that requires oath-taking and annoys God,) not to harbor angry thoughts, and not to question instances of perfectly apparent social injustice (laborers in the vineyard parable and others.) What people who have been steeped in Christianity cannot seem to get a grip on is the unpleasant fact that Jesus was urging a program of shortterm moral acrobatics designed to attract divine intervention in the sorry situation of his times. ('Shortterm' because the end of the world was coming in the lifetime of his hearers.) This is interim ethics with a vengeance, and people who are soft on Christianity just can't stand it. N.