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To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (3570)4/13/1999 1:33:00 PM
From: Jacalyn Deaner  Respond to of 17770
 
Douglas, I agree; I support getting us OUT immediately just drop ship food, medicine, supplies. NO ground nor peacekeeping troops (which I believe are placed under false pretenses, just like Milo suspected and how he got the three POW's.

Will be getting worse before better. Consequences for actions are inevitable and should be reasonably expected.

I have got to get off the net for the afternoon, thanks for the reply. Jacalyn



To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (3570)4/13/1999 1:36:00 PM
From: james paterson  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 17770
 
I find it encouraging to read some of these posts & see that not every American is totally indoctrinated with the govt/corp spin.
Unfortunately, the free thinkers probably only comprise about 5% of the population which is why the U.S. is heading towards totalatarianism.

Jim P.



To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (3570)4/13/1999 7:17:00 PM
From: D. Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17770
 
<<Jacalyn, I can understand intervention for humanitarian reasons and to protect the Albanian minority (Majority in Kosovo but really a minority within Yugoslavia proper). I back that idea. But I don't like sending in a 1,000 warplane armada and crushing all the life out of Serbia either. A few troops on the ground or an economic embargo would have done the trick IMO without killing hundreds of innocent Serbians and triggering the Serbian Police Force attacks on Albanians in Kosovo too IMO....>>

Douglas, whose troops exactly would you propose being put on the ground? When? This bombing campaign started when Milosevich refused to have a foreign force on Yugoslavian territory. Embargo? Embargos dont work, period. As to bombing "triggering" attacks on Albanians, Serbian security forces have been attacking Albanians in Kosovo for a decade.



To: Douglas V. Fant who wrote (3570)4/14/1999 9:02:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 17770
 
Here's a little backgrounder on the Yougo mess that should help everyone understanding why it's so crucial to have the U.S.A. managing the crisis:

The U.S. Role In Catalyzing And Sustaining Serbian Aggression

Presentation by
PHILIP J. COHEN, M.D.,
Bethesda, Maryland,
To Clinton-Gore Transition Team
at Little Rock, Arkansas,
on December 17, 1992.


One-sided US support for a centralized communist Yugoslavia encouraged this war from the outset. Secretary of State James Baker chastised both Slovenia and Croatia for their moves towards independence and flatly stated that a "cold welcome" awaited these republics if they left Yugoslavia. Just days before the invasion of Slovenia, in June, 1991, Baker visited Belgrade and assured its government that the US was committed to the "territorial integrity of Yugoslavia." The Belgrade government dominated by Serbian nationalists interpreted this message as a "green light" for the military invasion of the democracy-seeking secessionist republics. Immediately after this invasion, the administration expressed concern that Hungary, Romania, Greece, or Albania could be drawn into the conflict, but that the US role in this explosive crisis would be only to advise and advocate the preservation of the unity of Yugoslavia.

From the outset, the US ceded leadership of the resolution of the Yugoslav crisis to the EC, but even having done so, the US shaped the framework in which the EC was to operate:

1) rejection of independent, democratic governments;

2) an arms embargo on both the heavily armed aggressor as well as the disarmed victims of aggression;

3) no US support for military intervention.

The intrinsic flaw of placing this crisis under EC guidance could have been anticipated from the beginning, since EC decisions required unanimous concensus, rendering the formulation of policy slow, inefficient, and ineffective. Despite the self-congratulations of the Europeans over their initial mediation efforts, Serbian aggression steadily escalated. Even when US denounced Serbia as the aggressor in September, 1991, the accompanying message was that America, finding no strategic interest, would not militarly intervene to stop the killing. At the same time, the EC also announced that it was not prepared for military intervention. Encouraged by announcements of no military intervention, Serbia further escalated attacks on civilians in Croatia. When, in November, 1991, the US joined the EC in economic sanctions against Serbia, President Bush expressed doubt that sanctions, including a proposed oil embargo, would end the war. The US, however, offered no further alternatives.

Larger geopolitical considerations may explain why the US from the outset favored the status quo of the communist regime in former Yugoslavia in preference to the support of the democratic aspirations of the majority of its people. At that time, three Baltic republics of the Soviet Union were also seeking independence. Gorbachev, seeing the dissolution of Yugoslavia as a precedent for the dissolution of the Soviet Union, vigorously opposed the secession of Slovenia and Croatia. Since detente with the Soviet Union was then an over-riding concern of American policy, it was not surprising that the US supported Gorbachev in opposing independence bids in both the Soviet Union in 1991. The world changed quickly, but US policy remained unchanged, even as Serbia's indiscriminate attacks upon civilians escalated. Moreover, when the EC finally did achieve the delicate consensus to recognize the independence of Slovenia and Croatia, the US actively campaigned against recognition, undermining the European initiative. In November, 1991, the EC imposed economic sanctions on Yugoslavia, but in early December these were lifted on all republics except Serbia and Montenegro. Only days after the Europeans made their sanctions selective against the aggressors and removed sanctions from the victims, the US imposed sanctions against all of Yugoslavia, in an action uncoordinated with the EC.

David Hoffman: "Baker Urges Yugoslavs to Keep Unity: U.S. Would Not Recognize Independent Republics, Secretary Says,"
Washington Post, Washington, DC, June 22, 1991, p.A1.
John M. Goshko: "U.S. Opposes Using Force To Keep Yugoslavia United,"
Washington Post, Washington, DC, June 27, 1991, p. A36.
(Full text)
at Zeljko Lupic's War against Croatia Page

Direct link: mprofaca.cro.net

Although I don't agree at all with the title's formulation (which hints at a US responsibility in the current Kosovo crisis), I found it interesting to show that the Kosovo war is deja vu over and over and over again...
As the above article shows, the Bush administration was well aware of the dangerous tensions stemming from any border change in the Balkans. Yet, Germany, freshly reunified in 1989, pushed for the diplomatic recognition of Slovenia and Croatia... Europe (France, that is) could not oppose it and the Bosnian conflict unfolded. Europeans have therefore demonstrated their total inability in managing their own ethnic-minded struggles and History shows us that the US attitude was wise in trying to keep the Balkan fabric as a multi-ethnic status quo.

The mismanagement of the European powers led to the collapse of the whole region, forcing the US to intervene as the only superpower of last resort (that owns enough military clout to cope with such a mess).