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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grainne who wrote (35442)	4/19/1999 11:53:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't think we're going to make more progress than we have. I feel as though I wrote my heart out and just ended up wasting a whole lot of my time and everyone else's trying to get across something really pretty unexceptionable, I thought-- and that is that some rapes come from a specialized sexual drive, a specifically sexual one, for some rapists, a subset of rapists, some of whom are probably simple concupiscent sociopaths, others of whom experience the violence, and the fear of the victim, as highly erotic. I described the measures taken to de-eroticize violent imagery for serial rapists. Pictures of it gave them erections. Violence was sexual for them. Although I shouldn't have, I described my sister's experience of rape, which differed markedly from Edwarda's and caused my sister to reach different conclusions. For some reason this all falls on deaf ears. I don't understand it. Absolutely, "their sexual lust is compromised"! I should think so! They're raping people! I could not agree with you more. How could I not, having said that they get off on stalking and cornering and terrorizing? And if it's a ruffie or alcohol rape not involving terror of that sort, it's merely a 'compromise,' or stain, of a different kind. The statement was made and assented to here that rapes were not about sex, that sex was only a tool. Not some rapes not most rapes rapes. All rapes. And in my opinion that opinion manages, by its blanketness, its absoluteness, to be inaccurate. But PC. Do you remember Steven Roger's proposed formulation? I agree with it, though I'd have included 'sex' as always having to be one of the components of rape, even if in small measure. If others agree with it, too, then some progress may have been made, after all. This has been a discouraging and depressing experience for me, and if it has felt that way to anyone else, I'd like to apologize for my part in that.