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To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (32373)	4/22/1999 8:17:00 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116795

RE:"As I said I think it is the times and probably parents who give materially but not emotionally.. and just look at the news..wow..I read the Aspirin Age when I was little but it never prepared me for this.. Also I think these two fellows' fathers were retired from military ..that could have been part of the way the children decided to commit suicide..(I wonder what covert messages the fathers give to the boys.. it is amazing how much abuse kids can take from kids when their parents tell them they are loved and the kids feel it and feel special because of parents' loves.."... Now we agree.

To: Bobby Yellin who wrote (32373)	4/23/1999 12:08:00 AM
From: Lee Lichterman III	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116795

>>Also I think these two fellows' fathers were retired from military ..that could have been part of the way the children chose to commit suicide..(I wonder what covert messages the fathers gave to the boys.. << OK, I'll bite, what are you implying about military fathers since I am one. I will grant you that there is a good chance dad wasn't around as much as needed but other than that, are you implying that we push violence? I think you would find the opposite. I think a very very big problem with the way we raise kids today is how we are not allowed to raise our kids. Ever since the government stepped in and proclaimed that children's feelings could be hurt by normal lessons of life , we have had a rise in these types of serious crimes in youngsters. Think about it, when we were young, being bad was stealing a hub cap, staying out too late talking to friends, maybe dating a girl from the wrong side of town or racing cars. We got out of line and did something serious, Dad took us behind the shed and straightened us out. If we goofed off in school, we could be held back. Now days, if a kid can't do the school work, we don't want them singled out since this could damage self esteem, so we pass them anyway. If they mess up out of school, the parents can not give a whack on the fanny or they will be labeled abusive and sent through the court system and flunky shrinks that can't get real jobs so work for Social Services. You can't yell at your kid, or this is verbal and mental abuse, so basically your kid does all but kill someone and your only response is to give them a lollipop, ask them how they feel about it, and sit them in front of the TV. The result is the little Johnnys in the world sees no consequences from their actions and feel they can do whatever they want. Think about it, the worst kids any of us knew in school carried a knife but hardly ever used them. Fighting dirty meant outnumbered or using a stick etc. Now days, a fight isn't a fight unless it involves an uzi, AK47 or grenade launcher. Go into any neighborhood on the ugly side of town and they have more guns than the richest member of the NRA in the good side of town. Just venting a little. PS - More kids are killed in car accidents, choking on hotdogs and hard candy etc than were lost in Colorado the other day. Of course those aren't flashy enough to hype in the news for 2 weeks. Back to lurking, Lee