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To: jbe who wrote (35696)	4/23/1999 7:59:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<<... we will never be able to determine why [the Trojan War] took place, or what the motivations of the principals were >> I suspect you are right, but there may be so great a consensus on the cause that it is impossible to tamper with it. I learned great lessons for my life from the stories of the Trojan War which my father told me as a child. I have never served as a judge in a beauty contest, particularly where goddesses are involved. I have never stolen captive maidens from my subordinates. I have never absconded with the wife of a king. Now the underlying stories may be thoroughly false, but I can recommend these lessons to every one. They represent ultimate truths to me.

To: jbe who wrote (35696)	4/23/1999 8:56:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

>>>>>Any scholar/thinker/scientist/etc. worth his salt retains a healthy skepticism about his own findings/discoveries/hypotheses, and has enough humility to recognize that his word will not be the last on the subject<<<<< Never met one of these birds. Let me say that my father went to college when I was a child, my mother when I was a teenager, and I started college in 1972 and finished in 1988, going part-time for my BA. I've got a J.D. and an LL.M. My husband has a BS and a M.Pub.H. I have known many a Ph.D. in my day. And I've never met one of these birds.

To: jbe who wrote (35696)	4/23/1999 9:19:00 AM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

It seems to me that in this century, we in the west have managed to achieve a nearly complete disconnect between the numinous and the intellectual realms. Time and time again, I 've seen members of the intelligensia pooh pooh spiritual beliefs as being nothing less than childlike flights of fancy by believers who are a quart short in their critical thinking faculties. This is a sad development IMO, and unless we manage to reacheive some semblence of equilibrium, I have grave concerns for the future of our humanity. My post was intended to point out that our intellectual emperor has no clothes. His virtual raiment is just that--virtual, and occupies no loftier a place than the humble garb of the monk. The world of the numinous is accessed with a different organ than the mind. IMO the mind usually blocks spiritual perception. This apparent paradox seems odious to intellectually justified non-believers, and in their fear of surrendering to a reality their intellect can't apprehend, they become defensive and pull out their whipping stick--one wielded by the arm of empirical proofs and theorems, historical data . . . and it all sorely misses the point. Like I said, I don't know Jack, and I'm rambling on . . .somewhere there's a point in this rant, but unfortunately I don't have the time this morning to make it any more clearly. Suffice it to say, Joan, I am not being critical of you or anyone on our thread in particular, but am just venting about a perception of our society that is occasionally confirmed in some of our on going discussions here.