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To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	4/29/1999 1:05:00 AM
From: Jody Ritchie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 368

Moonglow, I would have to know the people in charge of security (are they competent?) to make the decision as to whether or not my kid went. It's based on a gut feel. All, so much for the "These things don't happen in Canada" argument, huh? I just saw on the local news that a 14-year old wearing a dark blue or black trenchcoat walked into a Canadian HS, killed one 17-year old, and injured another 17-year old. The list of copy cats goes on... FWIW, I live in Colorado Springs. I've heard that a HS here was signing a card to send up to Littleton for the students of Columbine. Students were signing notes and what not on the card. Some of the students wrote notes supporting the killers. A coworker's mom spent time cutting those notes out of the card. Unbelievable that so many are showing support for the people who caused this tragedy. In other news...a NATO bomb missed it's target and reportedly killed 20 civilians... :-( JOdy

To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	4/29/1999 6:56:00 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Respond to of 368

I'd prefer to error on the side of safety... stay at home is my vote..... My Best Regards. GZ

To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	4/29/1999 7:01:00 AM
From: Cage Rattler	Respond to of 368

Moonglow: Want the youngster to learn something? Then, unless you are a psychic, let him make his own decision and live with the consequences of that decision. Help him deal with reality -- every day has it's unpredictable risks. No big deal if he chooses to stay at home and his classes go on uneventfully. He will have made a decision and will be reinforced for that decision via peer pressure. Regardless of what he chooses to do, his action should not be based upon the emotional-based facts defined by a fearful, although loving parent.

To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	4/29/1999 7:23:00 AM
From: PatiBob	Respond to of 368

Juanita That's a tough decision to make. We had an incident yesterday in Houston where a student poured paint thinner down a stairwell in an attempt to burn down the school. He was stopped just shortly after pouring the stuff and taken away. I'm affraid that we're going to see many more incidents like the one I just described because kids are crying for attention. Your friend needs to use her own gut instinct. She alone has a feel for what safety measures have been taken at her sons school as well as past incidents; how well they were handled, etc. Good luck and let us know what happens. PB

To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	4/29/1999 8:15:00 AM
From: paul t	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 368

School Friday? What if someone says they are going to blow up the school next week? or before the end of the year? I saw a special the other night on Terrorism, Dick Chaney talked a little about detection and prevention efforts. One think he pointed out is if you run and hide then the terrorists have won. If the school is successfully shut down this friday then why not next also, or during final exams, or the prom? Eventually your friend's son will have to venture back out into the world. If this friday is a success for the terrorists then there will be many more threats to follow! Soon everyone in school will be doing, a fad. You're not cool unless you can shut down school. What does your friend think of Uniforms?

To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	4/29/1999 4:01:00 PM
From: kivu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 368

Moonglow, I would say you have to keep the kid at home because if something did happen and she had sent him/her to school, your friend would be tormented for a very long time. That's one of the many things so horrible about these copycat situations. The psychological torment and the fear. I'm sure we'll continue to see more of these stories. Cops, metal detectors and SWAT teams aren't going to help much either, even though we have to have them or it's just nut city. You know what you feel so go with that. Good Luck Moonglow to you and your friend.

To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	4/29/1999 4:18:00 PM
From: Mike 2.0	Respond to of 368

Just 2 weeks ago there was a show on PBS about kids growing up in NYC, having to go to school via subway, etc. These kids especially the first year kids are afraid to go to school every Halloween ("Devil's Night") because of violence always rumored to be planned every year. The attendance rate for Halloween was about 50% if I recall correctly but nothing happened. In fact it was a more enjoyable day for the kids and teachers if I recall as there were fewer kids in the class, easier to interact. FWIW.

To: Moonglow who wrote (319)	5/1/1999 9:36:00 AM
From: Bill on the Hill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 368

Have not visited this thread for a week. My answer is late but I still thought I wanted to add to the mix. The school is a family. When a family is having a problem the family needs to fix it. Crisis brings out the best in people and if that student is absent then what signal does it give to the rest of the family. Our society is learning that me is more important than us. It is learning to hide from the truth because it is easier. It is learning that risk is avoidable and we might as well let others suffer as long as it is not us. Now for the soapbox, I moved out of the city in 1982 to get my kids out of the Littleton school system. I graduated from Littleton and knew how arrogant and self indulgent the kids and parents there are. They drive Porsche, BMW and attend the right schools. Not a bad thing but it has created a system of hierarchy in the schools that pushes the underachievers or average to the side and makes them a sideshow attraction in the eyes of the elite and self important students. We as parents and members of society have created this system in order to warehouse our children. Give them to the teachers and let them raise them. OK with us as long as we don't miss our work, golf, meetings, clubs, and our self important ways. Then we let our children tell us when they are going to school, how and what they need and we let them learn to control us with us letting them do it. We have become a society led by the unraised and emotionally unprepared. Not in my house. I am the father. Not the best friend. The mother is the mother and the emotional rudder. The children are the children and come to the parents for advise, love, money, help and the courage. TELL THE SON OR DAUGHTER TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEIR FAMILY THERE NEEDS THEM. TELL THEM IF THEY ARE SCARED TO GO INTO THEIR HEART AND ASK GOD FOR STRENGTH AND GUIDANCE. TELL THEM TO WALK WITH FAITH AND COURAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TOTAL SUM OF HUMANITIES EXISTENCE TO THIS DATE AND REPRESENT THE BEST IN MANKIND. TELL THEM YOU LOVE THEM AND WILL WALK SIDE BY SIDE WITH THEM IF THEY WANT YOU TO. SHOW THEM YOU HAVE STRENGTH AND FAITH IN GOD AND THE HUMAN CONDITION. TELL THEM FEAR IS THE ENEMY!!!! YEA. THO I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF DEATH, I SHALL FEAR NO EVIL!!! TELL THEM YOU LOVE THEM. enough. Bill on the Hill side information: I am a student of eastern philosophy, Buddhism, Hindu, Hare Krishna and others. Faith is not in vain and the choice of religion is not important. As long as the choice in not in self. The self important "I" will trap us yet if we do not learn.