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To: Cesare J Marini who wrote (3025)	4/30/1999 1:09:00 PM
From: Steven Dal Porto	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5843

News on Monday's announcement. news.com Steven

To: Cesare J Marini who wrote (3025)	4/30/1999 8:47:00 PM
From: soup	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5843

Standards ... ? We don't need no stinking standards! >That's what it's all about, soup: standards. Microsoft learned this early on, and Apple still hasn't learned it. You set the standard, you get to call the tune, and the market dances the dance.< Cesare; I have five browsers - Netscape Communicator 4.05/4.51; Internet Explorer 4.01; MacWeb and iCab. I like them all for different reasons and will not hesitate to switch when navigating different sites. Sometimes I run three at the same time. I have two media players - RealPlayer and QuickTime 4. When there's a site that requires MS Media Player, I'll download that too. The whole point of the web is that there are no barriers to entry. The world you envision is contrary to the "open standards" movement as characterized by Java/Linux/QT -- much less the "cut off their air supply" distribution tactics of MSFT. I also supply you/this thread by another RNWK vs. AAPL summary courtesy of a Mac-friendly analyst: On Streaming Media. >Apple's QuickTime, Microsoft's Media Player and RealNetworks' RealVideo are the three major competing technology in the field of multi-media playback. Apple's QuickTime has been around for a number of years and is generally believed to the most sophisticated of three. Not only is QuickTime capable of playback for a wide range of formats but it is also designed from the ground up for multimedia content creation. Despite the numerous technical advantages QuickTime had, RealVideo managed became the most popular Internet broadcast solution primarily because QuickTime did not fully support streaming media. RealVideo on the other hand, while not good for much else, was virtually designed for streaming media. With the implementation of streaming media in QuickTime 4, Apple has become a formidable competitor among the providers of streaming media technology.< appleinvestors.com Real may have 85% of the current streaming market, but that's still a tiny percentage of what's coming.

To: Cesare J Marini who wrote (3025)	5/2/1999 11:27:00 AM
From: soup	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5843

Standards ... ? (cont.) Linux and MacOS fastest growing server platforms. via lowendmac >Based on their April results, Linux owns the top spot. With almost 400,000 servers (www, ftp, and news), 31.3% of surveyed machines are running Linux. This is an increase from 28.5% in January. This represents 39.2% more Linux servers than the January report. Microsoft Windows (all versions) has been dethroned. Server share dropped slightly from 24.4% to 24.3%, but unit growth lags far behind Linux. With 310,000 Windows servers, there are only 26.5% more Windows servers than there were three months ago.< lowendmac.com ----------------------------------- With regards to QT for Linux: >Apple Updates Public Source License QuickTime Streaming Software Goes Open Source as Darwin Downloads Top 160,000 in First Month By releasing Darwin under the APSL, Apple is the first mainstream operating system provider to release its source code to the public and base its system software strategy on Open Source technologies. Now with the launch of Darwin Streaming Server, content providers, developers and server companies can create a RTP and RTSP streaming server for any platform, without the need to license costly proprietary software.< apple.com >QuickTime Streaming Server on Mac OS X Server lets you start up a streaming digital video channel—with news, entertainment and education programming—on the Internet. QuickTime Streaming Server on Mac OS X Server serves up to 250 stored files and up to 1,000 concurrent users, and can be used as a reflector for live broadcasts serving up to 1,000 QuickTime 4 users. And since Apple is pledged to making the QuickTime Streaming Server source code available to whomever wants to improve it, the technology will continue to evolve thanks to the applied collective brainpower of the open source community.< apple.com >Q. What platforms does the source compile and run on? The source currently compiles and runs only on the Mac OS X Server platform, but it can be ported to other platforms by modifying a handful of platform specific source files.< publicsource.apple.com With regards to evolution vs. maintenance of standards, if Linux developers don't want to pay for NT, how many think they will pay for RNWK code now that they can get Streaming QT (or MSFT Media Player) for free? soup ----------------------------------- PS> With regards to QT for Java [SUNW] servers, see AAPL technotes: apple.com

To: Cesare J Marini who wrote (3025)	5/2/1999 11:52:00 AM
From: soup	Respond to of 5843

Standards ... ? (cont.) Hands on user report of OSX Streaming Server. via Raging Bull messager boards >Has anyone else here played with OSXS and QTSS? Have been playing with it on a G3/400 (128MB memory and 2GB OSXS partition on a 12GB UltraATA) as part of a technical evaluation of the software. It is also not running in "server" mode where half of the system RAM is utilized for buffering for QTSS; I edited the hostconfig file to disable that part). Let me say I was initially skeptical and figured I'd get lousy results. I also have MacOS.app running. This bugger is a resource hog and under normal server operations, you would not run it: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root 721 98.7 66.8 1.04G 85.5M ? R 84hr /System/Applications/MacOS.app root 1324 0.0 2.1 10.2M 2.66M ? S 0:01 /usr/sbin/QuickTimeStreaming I also have a whole bunch of other services running just to see how streaming would go under this type of abnormal load running at the console. I setup 6 very high quality QT streams and aside from just a few artifacts in the video during quick changes (compressed with Sorenson for T1/LAN throughput), no rebuffering took place and the audio (QDesign2 compressed 44KHz 16-bit stereo) streamed perfectly while playing them simultaneously in a web browser (it was a chaotic mix of sound but no skips, dropouts, rebuffering). This is going several hops from my work place to my cable modem at home. I came away quite impressed because this is essentially beta level software running on a very non-optimal setup (Apple suggests at least 256MB for streaming) with a resource hogging process called MacOS.app running. Response on my inbound telnet session to the box was still fast and swap remained at 20MB. I'm hoping Apple webcasts and streams the developer conference next week using QTStreaming. I'd also like to see the streaming server start popping up on other platforms so that one can benchmark performance against the OSXS boxes. I am quite impressed by the quality of the streams and ease of setup (streaming live will require a simple broadcaster app). Does Real have something to worry about? After briefly playing with it, I'd say yes especially once the streaming server is ported to other operating systems (especially Linux).< ragingbull.com