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To: Yaacov who wrote (6632)5/4/1999 7:39:00 AM
From: JBL  Respond to of 17770
 
The simple answer to your last question is that Joe Lockhart is lying through his teeth when he pretends that the US administration knew what was going to happen.



To: Yaacov who wrote (6632)5/4/1999 9:00:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17770
 
Your last question is silly:
The third question is about Kosovar refugees. NATO did know in advance that the bombing will lead to ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Why they didn't built camps, hospitals, and reception centers?Why the burden has to fall to Albania, Macedonia, and Italy?

Why would the US, together with their allies, have made such a political blunder as building preventively shelter camps for Albanian refugees?? Such a preemptive humanitarian operation would have been turned against the NATO intervention!
And let's not get fooled by such an insidious reasoning of yours: it's highly coward and shameful for the Serbian military to repress Albanian civilians in retaliation for a third-party aggression! If the Serbs want to wage war and defend their ''holy country'' then they must fight NATO troops and aircrafts... Why brutalizing innocent civilians?

As for KLA's powerlessness, there's no point in comparing with Afghanistan: I told you that European powers (France, Italy, Germany, Greece) don't want to hear about any KLA victory in the process! Actually, talking of partisan troops, I can tell you that a wealthy Greek businessman has hired Greek volunteers to join Milosevic's military in Kosovo... Next, there is no air support so far: I'm not aware of any involvement of Apache helicopters or any other low-altitude aircraft in Kosovo! You don't support KLA guerillas by sending off F-16s flying at 20,000 feet and loosing ''smart'' bombs over Serbian bunkers...



To: Yaacov who wrote (6632)5/4/1999 5:56:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 17770
 
Restraint prolongs war,
may lead to emptied
Kosovo
12:56 p.m. May 04, 1999 Eastern

By Douglas Hamilton

BRUSSELS, May 4 (Reuters) -
Top NATO General Klaus
Naumann said on Tuesday that
NATO's air campaign would be
prolonged by its failure to use
overwhelming force and Yugoslav
President Slobodan Milosevic
could still achieve his aim of the
mass deportation of ethnic
Albanians.

Naumann, who is retiring as
chairman of NATO's military
committee, said failure to use the
elements of surprise and the
alliance's vast military superiority
would cost time and probably more
casualties in the long run.

Surprise and the use of
overhwleming force were key
principles of military operations, he
said. ''We did not apply either in
Operation Allied Force and this
costs time, effort and potentially
additional casualties,'' he said.

''The net result (is) that the
campaign is undoubtedly
prolonged,'' Naumann told his last
news conference at NATO
headquarters.

''President Milosevic's mass
deportation campaign appears
achievable'' even though there are
still hundreds of thousands of
Kosovo Albanians still in the
province, he said.

NATO military intervention had
''slowed down the efforts of
Milosevic's instruments of ethnic
cleansing...but we cannot stop such
a thing entirely from the air,''
Naumann said.

''If he really wants to get them out
and he uses the same brutal tactics
he may have a chance to do this,''
the German Army general added.

It was also a question of how long
the displaced masses of Kosovo
could survive and hold on, without
supplies and under harassment and
sometimes deliberate shelling.

NATO officials earlier said
Monday was the worst day in
weeks for deportations, with threee
trains from Kosovo dumping nearly
12,000 people in Macedonia, some
of them starving. Two more trains
arrived at the Macedonian frontier
on Tuesday, carrying more than
5,000 refugees.

Naumann said it was true in military
history that air power ''never won a
war,'' but he said he saw a ''real
chance that we can make it'' in
Yugoslavia.

In a speech in London in early
March, Naumann criticised the
allies for publicly ruling out ground
troops.

That move was one of several
alleged mistakes criticised on
Tuesday by a prestigious London
think-tank which also said NATO
pilots had been ordered to fly too
high, that targets had been limited,
and that NATO had shown its hand
to Belgrade by announcing a
''three-phase'' air campaign,

Naumann, however, denied there
was any ''micro-management'' by
NATO political representatives and
he praised NATO Secretary
General Javier Solana for a
''masterpiece'' of maintaining
cohesion over 41 days of bombing.

''There is no reason to change our
strategy, but every reason for
President Milosevic to change his.
After all, he cannot win and he
knows it. But he runs the risk of
seeing the destruction of much of
his country'' if he does not concede,
Naumann said.

The Kosovo Liberation Army
(KLA) had been defeated but not
eliminated, he said, and its numbers
were growing again.

''Consequently the fighting will go
on and if the trend continues over
time President Milosevic is doomed
to fail.''

Naumann said the Rambouillet
agreement which would have
disarmed the KLA and returned
Kosovo to autonomy within
Yugoslavia was a ''golden
opportunity'' missed by Belgrade as
well as Russia, which took part in
the peace talks.

''Frankly and honestly, we did not
succeed in our initial attempt to
coerce Milosevic through air strikes
to accept our demands. Nor did we
succeed in preventing Yugoslavia
from pursuing a campaign of ethnic
separation and explusion.

''But that said, we certainly
succeeded in degrading
Yugoslavia's ability to conduct
military operations in Kosovo,''
Naumann said.

The air campaign was working
properly, he said, but the need to
avoid unintended civilian casualties
or damage to churches and
mosques was denting its impact.

He said the presence of an
international military force in
Kosovo after hostilities ended and
refugees returned would be ''an
absolute prerequisite.''

Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited.



To: Yaacov who wrote (6632)5/5/1999 6:27:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17770
 
How many Kosovars would survive Balkan's winter with agricultre destroyed? This is rhetorical, we are winning...The surgery was great success, however the patient died..

Clinton Signals Kosovo War May Last Into Winter; 2 Killed in Apache
Crash
By Richard Keil

Clinton Signals Kosovo War May Last Into Winter (Update1)
(Adds Apache pilots' names, refugees arrival in U.S.)

Ramstein Air Base, Germany, May 5 (Bloomberg) -- President
Bill Clinton signaled on the eve of a foreign ministers' meeting
aimed at ending the Yugoslav war that NATO is preparing for a
protracted air campaign.

Clinton told a group of U.S. military pilots over dinner
that ''we were going to be dealing with refugees through the
winter,'' said Major Steve Nielsen, a C-5 cargo pilot from Des
Moines, Iowa. ''He said that would be the case, whether they (the
refugees) were in Macedonia, Albania or Kosovo. He didn't
guarantee that they would be home by then.''

Clinton met earlier today with North Atlantic Treaty
Organization political and military leaders in Brussels, and said
NATO will step up its air war until Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic pulls his troops out of Kosovo, grants autonomy to the
ethnic Albanian majority and allows refugees to return.
''For those people to go home and have self-government,
there has to be an international security force, with NATO at its
core, that will protect everyone there,'' Clinton told NATO
troops at Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany.

Clinton's meetings with U.S. troops come as Russian envoy
Viktor Chernomyrdin seeks a cease-fire. Foreign ministers from
the Group of Eight - the U.S., U.K., Germany, France, Italy,
Canada, Japan and Russia -- meet tomorrow in Bonn to discuss
efforts for a UN resolution to end the conflict.

Diplomatic Efforts
''We hope that together with our partners and Russia we can
make significant progress,'' German Foreign Minister Joschka
Fischer told the Bundestag, the lower house of parliament.
Fischer said not to expect an agreement tomorrow, however.

Milosevic made a gesture of his own, sending Kosovo moderate
Ibrahim Rugova to Rome. Italy's Prime Minister Massimo D'Alema
and Foreign Affairs Minister Lamberto Dini met and ''examined the
prospects for a diplomatic-political solution,'' D'Alema's office
said in a statement. Earlier, Western leaders had said Rugova
was being held in Belgrade against his will.

Clinton meets tomorrow with German Chancellor Gerhard
Schroeder, who faces internal political opposition to the bombing
campaign.

NATO Secretary General Javier Solana and Clinton agreed the
allies are seeking a diplomatic solution but ''will keep the
military campaign going in an intensive way,'' NATO spokesman
Jamie Shea said in Brussels.
''We want peace yes, but peace with justice,'' Shea said.
''Peace without justice is not peace for very long.''

Refugee Aid

About 700,000 ethnic Albanians have been driven from their
homes since NATO's air strikes began six weeks ago, according to
the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Plans are
already under way for outfitting refugee camps for winter, U.S.
Agency for International Development Director Brian Atwood said.
''We have to look past the summer and the fall in terms of
relieving the conditions the refugees are living under,'' NATO
Supreme Allied Commander for Europe General Wesley Clark said
after meeting with Clinton in Brussels.

Macedonian authorities shut the border crossing at Blace
today after 8,400 refugees arrived yesterday, Agence France-
Presse reported.

Refugees arriving in Macedonia said Serb troops had looted
and burned their shops, and some ''were badly beaten and showed
injuries on their backs, thighs and arms,'' UNHCR reported. A
refugee in Albania told the UN agency that 24 members of his
family had been slain and he had seen the corpses.

Arrival in U.S.

About 453 refugees arrived at McGuire Air Force Base, New
Jersey, en route for immigration processing at Fort Dix and
eventual settlement near U.S. sponsor families. First Lady
Hillary Clinton will welcome them tonight at Fort Dix, said U.S.
Defense Department spokesman Navy Capt. Michael Doubleday.

At least four more planes, each carrying about 453 refugees,
will arrive into next week, Doubleday said. Fort Dix can handle
as many as 3,000 of the 20,000 refugees expected in the U.S.

While NATO intensified its air attacks, a U.S. Army Apache
helicopter crashed during a training mission in Albania early
today. Both crew members, Chief Warrant Officers David Gibbs and
Kevin Reichert, died, the Defense Department said.

A spokesman for the U.S. European Command in Stuttgart,
Germany, said the cause of the crash is under investigation. CNN
said the helicopter may have hit a power line.

The deaths of the two U.S. Apache pilots were the first for
NATO in its Serb bombing campaign. It was the second time in two
weeks that a state-of-the-art AH-64 Apache has crashed on a
training flight and it's the fifth aircraft NATO has lost.

An F-16 fighter, built by Lockheed Martin Corp. crashed in
Serbia Sunday, a Harrier AV-8-B vertical takeoff aircraft crashed
into the Adriatic Saturday, and a stealth fighter went down in
Serbia in late March. NATO rescued the pilots of those aircraft.

POW Release Seen

In other developments:
-- Clinton met today with three prisoners of war Milosevic
released earlier this week in a gesture that put pressure on NATO
to reciprocate. U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen told
reporters NATO likely will release two Yugoslav prisoners of war
captured last month.
-- Clark said air strikes in the past week all but
neutralized Yugoslavia's air defenses. ''Milosevic is hurting and
increasingly hurting badly,'' Clark told reporters after briefing
Clinton on 24 hours of strikes against Serb air defenses and fuel
depots. ''Milosevic knows he cannot win, and more and more, his
forces know it too.''
-- NATO forces have flown more than 15,000 sorties so far,
Vice Admiral Sir Ian Garnett said at a U.K. defense ministry
briefing. About 5,000 of those missions dropped bombs or missiles
on Serb targets, he said. NATO has destroyed 80 of the 450 Serb
military aircraft, including one quarter of the ''critical'' Serb
MiG-21s and MiG-29s, Garnett said.

Nine out of 17 Serb military airfields were damaged, some
severely, 32 road and rail bridges were destroyed, and air
strikes had significantly damaged 12 of the 57 major Serb
ammunition storage sites, Garnett said.

Convoy Attacked
-- A humanitarian aid convoy came under attack today between
Pristina and the Macedonian border, Agence France-Presse and
Cable News Network reported. There were no reports of injuries
to the Doctors of the World convoy, CNN said. NATO said it wasn't
responsible for bombing any aid convoy, AFP reported.
-- NATO officials denied a report in the Wall Street Journal
that the alliance plans to send 60,000 troops into Kosovo by
midsummer, with one-third of them from the U.S., to take over the
Serbian province from retreating Yugoslav forces.
''I said there wasn't a bit of truth in it, but it's in
print anyway,'' Clark said. ''I didn't recognize any element of
truth in this.'' NATO leaders say they don't plan to invade
Kosovo, and troops would only be used to assist refugees as part
of a peacekeeping plan.
''We want to be ready, naturally, as soon as we are able to
get that security force in,'' Shea said. NATO wants to avoid a
vacuum of authority in the province between the withdrawal of
Serb forces and the arrival of allied troops, he said.

NATO forces are being increased in Macedonia on Serbia's
southern border to prepare for such a mission, Shea said.
-- NATO denied a report by the official Yugoslav Tanjug news
agency that a NATO plane was shot down about 1:30 a.m. local time
over Bajina Basta, 95 miles southwest of Belgrade, Agence France-
Presse reported. ''All of our aircraft returned last night,''
said Lieutenant-Colonel Michael Kaemmerer at NATO's military
command in Mons, referring to combat aircraft and not the Apache.
-- Serb paramilitary forces killed at least 150 civilians in
Drenica, a town of western Kosovo, Deutsche Presse-Agentur
reported, citing a broadcast today on Albanian state radio.
Drenica is a stronghold of the Kosovo Liberation Army, DPA said.

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