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To: blankmind who wrote (2117)	5/7/1999 7:44:00 AM
From: freelyhovering	Respond to of 45639

OFF TOPIC--Just in case any of you on this thread are also baseball fans, check out my new thread. Myron Subject 27960

To: blankmind who wrote (2117)	5/7/1999 9:17:00 AM
From: JakeStraw	Respond to of 45639

FORMER COWBOY TUINEI DEAD AT 39 (AP) - Mark Tuinei, a former Dallas Cowboys offensive lineman who helped them win three Super Bowl titles and was considered the team's toughest player during his 15 seasons, was found dead in his car Thursday morning. He was 39. Plano (Texas) police chief Bruce Glasscock said an unidentified friend who had been told to go to Tuinei's house to check on him found Tuinei unconscious in a vehicle. Efforts to revive him failed, and he was pronounced dead upon arriving at Medical Center of Plano, a north Dallas suburb. The cause of death was not immediately known. Glasscock said foul play, alcohol or drugs were not believed to be involved. "There is nothing in the investigation at this time that would indicate that," Glasscock said. Although Tuinei didn't have as high a profile as teammates such as Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith or even fellow offensive lineman Nate Newton, "Tui" was extremely popular in the locker room and the community. Aikman praised Tuinei, a close friend and teammate for nine years, for the influence he had on fellow players. "When we look back at the different times that we've been with Mark over the years, I think a smile comes to all of our faces because of the type of guy he was," Aikman said at Valley Ranch. "That's how I'm going to choose to remember him, as the fun-loving guy that he was." Tuinei's career ended following the 1997 season because of lingering problems in both knees. *** For the full story, see infobeat.com

To: blankmind who wrote (2117)	5/7/1999 11:19:00 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 45639

The funny thing is that whole perception that Elway was hampered by Reeves' stuffy offense. For some reason, it didn't hamper Phil Simms from having the best year of his career under Reeves, nor did it prevent Chandler from smoking the NFL like a cheap cigar. However, aside from stats and comparisons, any real football fan has always grimaced at the poor reads Elway consistently made, especially in his earlier days. Tom

To: blankmind who wrote (2117)	5/9/1999 12:13:00 AM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 45639

If Elway had Shanahan as coach for most of his career, there would be no doubt or question about it. Consider the players surrounding him. No Thurmon Thomas or TD during most of those years. If he had played in bigger cities, such as in NY or LA, there would be no doubt or any question he is top dog. Just look at the rb's surrounding those other "greatest" ones. If any one of them were playing with Elway, then there would be no doubt. The thought is a bit scarry. Wonder how many superbowl rings Elway would have now? Those sports writers who belittle Elway are most likely from big cities where Elway had consistently beaten their home teams. Considering Elway played for a "cowtown" team, it is no wonder there are so much sour grapes. Twenty years from now, we all will realize that he is the greatest. I can guarantee there will be no one who can throw like he did, for so many years. I realized it ten years ago. So many coaches are glad Elway retired. Actually Elway is much more dangerous now than ever before. With the supporting cast he had in last few years, he has become magician. Ask defensive players and coaches. Forget those sports writers. Ask SD Seau or KC/Clev Marty.