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To: Cynic 2005 who wrote (41571)	5/18/1999 4:27:00 PM
From: John Pitera	Respond to of 86076

Mohan, so I'm part of the hard discipline team -g- Yes we're in the training room right now, getting taped up, linament gently loosening up tight muscles, getting that game face on. Dicipline time for the debt market -eg-

To: Cynic 2005 who wrote (41571)	5/18/1999 4:48:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86076

Mohan, re: And hear this, they said pay is not a problem as long as they can find right people. I live in silicon valley and that is simply not true. Engineering and IT wages have NOT increased to the true level of the market and that is one of the biggest reasons for the labor shortage. I know shops that are trying to hire senior manufacturing IT personnel for 60K. There is an entire adjunct class of contract workers who exist solely because it is a way to get around low corporate salaries and these people can get paid what they are truly worth. BTW I would say an above average ERP architect/designer is about a 150K job based on the skillset involved with that position. If you ask any employment agency they will say there are no technical (non management) IT jobs for over 100K. Management of an IT dept is much easier than an ERP architect position. So, there you go.