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To: Les H who wrote (49180)	5/23/1999 7:40:00 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

The way I read the article, it seemed to me the point was that Asians and whites were outscoring "non-asian" minorities on the tests in question. I strongly doubt that 70% of the engineering department at any school is asian as has been suggested, however I see no reason to lower the bar to insure that unqualified candidates of any ethnicity make it into the program. We should be striving for academic excellence instead of creating academic excuses. I don't see how we can expect to compete globally if we sell out our educational programs for fuzzy headed notions that seem to place more value on how the student body looks as opposed to its performance. JLA

To: Les H who wrote (49180)	5/23/1999 8:04:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Well I don't think anybody should gerrymander but my point is that if you have a larger enrollment of asians than whites in top universities then you should expect to see that same breakdown in industry. We don't see anywhere close to that though. There are 2 possibilities - discrimination or invalid school curriculum/admission. Taking Berkeley as an example, there are more asian that white admissions. There are way, way more asians than whites entering the engineering program but I can't find any online statistics. But here is something on general admissions. Asian-American admitted students comprise 38.3 percent of the total pool of admitted fall students, a rise of 7.7 percent from fall 1997. Last year, 2,925 Asian Americans were admitted to Berkeley. This year, 2,998 Asian Americans were offered fall admission. White students are 34.2 percent of the total pool of students admitted for fall 1998, an increase of 3.2 percent from fall 1997. Last year, 2,725 whites were admitted to Berkeley. This year, there are 2,674 whites admitted. urel.berkeley.edu Berkeley doesn't "count" asians as minorities and I truly believe there is little if any discrimination against asians in California in business - thats jmo, however. Anyway something is funny when you admit more of a certain group to the top engineering school in the area and there is no follow through in industry. A hard problem to fix however, I will give you that.