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To: Bruce Tiemann who wrote (42231)	5/27/1999 2:28:00 PM
From: Scrumpy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 120523

re: OT...Sounds like a problem with governments, not guns. Those weren't exactly democracies. Do you own a gun to prevent the government from exterminating you?

To: Bruce Tiemann who wrote (42231)	5/27/1999 2:36:00 PM
From: Spartex	Respond to of 120523

OT, Bruce, some interesting points. but those countries mentioned are typically under more militaristic rule than say, Canada, which does have strong gun control laws, and a very low incidence of gun murders, let alone school killings like we're having. The problem is very complex, but there are simple straight forward solutions. 1) Parents need to be very involved with their children's lives. 2) Guns (if owners are licensed) should be locked up in a locker that can't be pryed open 3) People with illegal handguns should pay a DEAR price if caught, especially if they try to use them to commit a crime. Our legal system appears to be a sieve on this issue. I'd rather pay higher taxes if it gets these criminals off the street. OK, enough of that soapbox. From a new Dad who will care about his new son very much. regards, QuadK

To: Bruce Tiemann who wrote (42231)	5/27/1999 3:10:00 PM
From: Angie	Respond to of 120523

Off Topic All the atrocities you mention are national, racial or religious in origin. Are we capable of raising one generation of kids without passing these three categories of prejudices on to them? If not, then they will have their guns. If so, then perhaps that generation will relieve the world of its weapons, as it strives to find more valid solutions to problems in a more equitable environment. Angie

To: Bruce Tiemann who wrote (42231)	5/27/1999 5:49:00 PM
From: lee kramer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 120523

Dear Bruce..you make a lot of valid points, most I can't disagree with. But I don't own a gun and I suspect I never will...though I've given it a lot of thought; like what do I do to protect my loved-ones if there's a "home" invasion. Maybe my 31" baseball bat, maybe my 9-iron. Maybe (and this is a long-shot) I talk gently, hope they'll take what they came for and go away. Sadly, most of the gun-toters that you've documented so well are not nice people. They're Nazis (I'm speaking "generic" Nazis) and can be found in many countries, even ours). They've got some pretty heavy ego-problems, they crave power, crave control. They deep-down are afraid...but of course tend to hide this well. They, and this is just my feeling, are folks with rather gaping holes in their buckets...and I'll wager they were badly treated when they were children. Perhaps a generation of parents who love and treat their children with love will go a long way. I suggest another idea; no guns, anywhere. "Zero-tolerance". If I were king for a day I'd make it a crime to make, sell, distribute or possess any kind of gun; including the police in every country. Get caught, you go to jail for 20 years, no parole. Again, it's a tough problem. We all see it, and the solutions, differently. I just wanted to offer you mine. Be well. (Lee)