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To: Neocon who wrote (50681)	5/31/1999 10:10:00 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

What he said! Thanks Neo for making the point (about balancing) to Pezz more eloquently than I. JLA

To: Neocon who wrote (50681)	5/31/1999 11:50:00 PM
From: pezz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<We are continually balancing things in our estimate of the severity of crimes, and the appropriate penalties.>> You analogy holds no water. The fetus has not commited any crimes there is no severity to consider. It's either a human or it isn't. If it is unless self defense can be claimed there is no justification for killing it. Just as would be afforded any other killing of a human. You are too smart to use such flawed logic. << Few people have the heart to ban abortion in cases of rape and incest. >>It means that they don't really believe that the fetus is a human. Just a potential one. But that won't get it done. So they remain inconsistent and beat around the bush,squirm and make illogical arguments about pretending the fetus is a minor criminal under certain situations. And should be punished with death....... << At best, it is a complex calculation of when the lack of responsibility of the mother, and the horror of the circumstances, weigh in favor of mercy>> You see now you seem to forget about this so called human. If it is a human [which it ain't ]it doesn't deserve to die.... where is the mercy.....now!........Where is johannes when I need him? pez

To: Neocon who wrote (50681)	6/1/1999 12:27:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Very nice. Actually there is potentially good and consistent reasoning concerning rape and incest pregnancies that would allow them to be aborted according to civilised principle. Pezz seems to overlook the fact that not all pro-lifers think every human life completely indispensable. While exterminating a human life is harrowing in every circumstance, there are certain circumstances where it is allowed by principle. So even if the child of rape is considered 100% human, it may be possible to rely upon reasoning that would allow the child's termination. I do not personally ascribe to it, but I understand it and could lean upon it as a means of compromise.