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To: Scumbria who wrote (60286)	6/2/1999 9:38:00 AM
From: grok	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571200

To all: Looks like Paul and Benjamin have gone to bed. The thread really rocked yesterday. Some day we should hold a "Best of 6/1/99 revival."

To: Scumbria who wrote (60286)	6/2/1999 10:15:00 AM
From: Charles R	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571200

Scumbria, I am with you on Paul's postings. Can't figure out what he is upto... From Ace's: "More Juicy K7 Bits KH Yeap Wednesday, June 2, 1999 (3:00 AM EST) CNET Taiwan has some interesting bits on K7 here. The report confirms what I assured you earlier: K7 was indeed demo'ed at Computex. It also says that the three biggest Taiwanese motherboard makers, as well as at least one major OEM, have already finished sampling their respective Slot-A motherboards for K7 and that they can begin shipment as early as the end of June!!! These manufacturers are reported as saying that the PIIIs are no match for K7 at the same Mhz. Also, AMD will start shipping K7 upon the official K7 announcement is made by end of June, but do not expect volume shipment until K7 moves to 0.18 micron later this year. Furthermore, some K7 chipsets have already started using copper process. According to the same report, AMD's internal estimation targets the number of K7 shipment this year at more than 1 million. Dresden fab is reported as going into 0.18-micron process "very soon" and will be resposible for K7 production. And as reported earlier, K7 will be introducted at 500, 550 and 600 Mhz, and will be targeted respectively at the $1,300, $1,500 and $2,200 highend PC and workstation market. Also reported earlier is that ALI and VIA will start rolling out their K7 chipsets later this year and will incorporate PC133 support. " aceshardware.com Chuck

To: Scumbria who wrote (60286)	6/2/1999 3:40:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571200

SCUMbria - Re: "I'm surprised that you are still attaching your name to this nonsense." If you had any data to prove it WASN'T NONSENSE, you would have posted it. Since you can't refute it - except on your personal "beliefs" , I suggest you prepare yourself for another grand disappointment from AnotherMajorDissapointer. Paul

To: Scumbria who wrote (60286)	6/2/1999 4:58:00 PM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1571200

Scumbria, Allegedly DDRSDRAM is coming to a graphic card near you: Wonder why no-ones talking about RDRAM for graphics cards. This whole pin out thing is baloney now as well. Folks are now doing staggered pads with 40-50 micron effective pad pitch. So a $5 die can hold 400-500 pins no problemo-slap into a $5 PBGA and you have a killer chip!!!. Regards, Kash DDR SDRAM will make debut in graphics arena By Jack Robertson Electronic Buyers' News (06/02/99, 11:19:15 AM EDT) Double-data-rate SDRAM will crack the PC market in graphics chipsets beginning this fall, a jump-start many memory-chip vendors believe will position DDR as a high-speed contender in other applications as well. Micron, Hitachi, Samsung, and other companies are gearing up their DDR graphics programs months before the double-clocked interface is expected to arrive as main memory in desktop PCs and servers. “Getting an early start as dedicated memory in graphics chipsets will definitely boost DDR,” said Jim Sogas, director of DRAM business operations at Hitachi Semiconductor (America) Inc., San Jose. Samsung Electronics Inc., which is slated to ramp 128-Mbit chips supporting the Direct Rambus DRAM interface for PCs later this year, is already making its first DDR production shipments to several unidentified graphics vendors. “Graphics-chipset vendors are always the first to jump on a new, faster DRAM,” said Avo Kanadjian, vice president of memory marketing at the San Jose company. “They were first to use EDO and the first to use SDRAM. They'll be the first to use DDR.” Micron Technology Inc. and Infineon Technologies AG also are shipping DDR SDRAM samples to graphics-accelerator manufacturers in the hope that the sector will be the first to order production quantities of the devices. Desi Rhoden, chairman of Advanced Memory International Inc., a coalition of suppliers that supports DDR, said early adoption by the graphics market could speed the memory's penetration elsewhere. “It endorses and makes DDR more acceptable in other applications,” said Rhoden, who works in Tempe, Ariz. “DRAM companies also gain early experience in making the new chip, so it will enter the rest of the PC market as a mature product with no surprises.” Some vendors within the DDR camp said a production ramp in the graphics sector could even position DDR ahead of its Direct RDRAM rival in the race for desktop-PC design-ins. Rambus Inc., which designed the Direct RDRAM interface and has received substantial support from Intel Corp., declined to comment. Although vastly smaller than the PC market, the graphics arena stands to offer DDR a respectable incubation, according to observers. George Iwanyc, an analyst at Dataquest Inc., San Jose, estimated that graphics-chipset sales last year exceeded $1.6 billion-a 60% increase over 1997. And he expects similar growth this year. In many ways, Iwanyc said, DDR is well suited as buffer memory in graphics chipsets, particularly because of its wide, 64-bit organization; high speed; and relatively low cost. According to Andreas von Zitzewitz, vice president of operations at Infineon in Munich, Germany, customers are already sampling DDR SDRAM with clock speeds of 300 and even 400 MHz. As frame-buffer memory, DDR would also sidestep many of the timing and interface issues associated with main memory, because the frame buffer communicates directly with the graphics processor without the need for an intervening core-logic chipset. This point-to-point connection gives graphics designers more flexibility, and makes it easier for memory companies to sell an assortment of DDR versions that may test out at various clock speeds, according to proponents. In fact, numerous oddball DDR chip speeds-from 275 to 311 MHz-are expected to show up in many graphics chipsets. Moreover, graphics vendors are free to begin using DDR chips even before details of the so-called PC200 and PC266 DDR SDRAM main-memory specifications are finalized, proponents said.