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To: Don Martini who wrote (25595)	6/4/1999 9:24:00 AM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Don, <<: God isn't just if only a few are saved. I'm sure you understand the logic of his arguments. I agree with Mark. What does the Bible teach? >> Is God more just if instead of only saving a few, he instead causes the majority to cease to exist? Is God just if he causes good people like the Dali Llama and Mahatma Ghandi to cease to exist and allows murderers and rapists entrance to heaven for the sole reason that they confessed their sins to him at death? The implication of that is that he only cares that he is paid tribute to through acknowledgement. If a man believes in God, but calls God by no particular name, if he live his life in a good and moral manner, if he lives all aspects of his life in a worthwhile way but calls God by no specific name he will go to hell or cease to exist. Personally, that is not a type of justice that I am familiar with. Mark

To: Don Martini who wrote (25595)	6/4/1999 11:10:00 AM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Good morning Don; Thank you for your sincere post. I must admit that some of what you said bothered me. I feel like there is an element to our conversation which values being right rather than discovering truth. Of course that truth that we seek is Yeshua as He told us, "I am the way, the truth, and the life". Our only hope of finding and knowing YHWH is through Him. As to the question of Hell, I do not believe that this is a central issue which is worthy of such intense debate. I believe that being separated from Yeshua who I love would be Hell. I do not really think much about it much. Rather I try to focus my attention on my Savior. I will be doing an exegesis on the passages you shared and look into the Greek interlinear and examine what scripture teaches. My simple view is this. Wherever Yeshua is will be heaven, where He is not is Hell. I choose to follow Him. I will get back to you on the scriptures you cited and I am sure we can have a very interesting conversation about them. For me Yeshua himself put all of these issues in the proper perspective. Mark 12:29-31 (American Standard Version) Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Jesus quotes Deuteronomy and the Jewish Shema as commandment number one. Number two is the love we show to each other. The KJV says that this sums up the whole of the scriptures. Yeshua himself tells us about the focus of the scriptures that we love. John 5:39 Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me; Yeshua is and should be our focus. I will look forward to continuing our discussions about Hell but I pray that we can return our focus on the Messiah Yeshua. Shalom uv'rachah b'Yeshua HaMashiach - Peace and blessings in Messiah Yeshua - DLL