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To: KM who wrote (127)6/6/1999 6:21:00 PM
From: sam  Respond to of 18137
 
Truff: There's no way to handle that situation well. You were caught in a trap and there was nothing you could do. With some stocks you wait it out. With others you have to bail. It's a split second decision. But generally, if a stock is plummeting, and you have shares to sell you are fat out of luck. Like in a short squeeze, but worse. Island traders disappear and the MMs leave you holding the bag. This, of course, is the "ace in the hole" the mms have over us at all times. They know we are scared to death of being caught in one of those twisters. And they use it against us all the time. Best course of action, however, is to learn to see the "writing on the wall."



To: KM who wrote (127)6/6/1999 7:46:00 PM
From: -  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 18137
 
KM, There are several things you can do to protect yourself from sudden/sharp reversals like that. First, I'd say that given what happened, it sounds like you handled it pretty well, as best possible. When you're caught like that and it's too late, it's often better to take your medicine and get out any way you can. Many big/long selloffs start that way, and you don't want to get "trapped".

The biggest thing you can do to protect against that, is start watching the S&P Futures and/or Bond Futures on a real-time chart, I like to watch the S&P's on a 2 or 3 minute chart. If I see the S&P's starting to tank hard, I'll go flat everything I'm long in a hurry. It's an excellent indicator, as the kind of situation you describe rarely happens in a vacuum. If you can't get the S&P's, at least watch the $TICK indicator and the Dow (even the bug on CNBC is helpful) closely throughout the day as an advance warning indicator.

Having the S&P's handy can also be a good indicator if you're long something and it's pulling in a little. Often, I'll stay long and ride something for more profits, because I know the S&P's are staying strong.

Another thing you can do, is before you trade it, look at the daily bar chart for the stock in reference to the 10-day, 20-day, and 50-day moving averages. The kind of climax sell-off that you describe, is much more likely to occur when the issue gets very "extended", for example way out in front of the 10-day moving average. When you're trading them up there, you have to be like a cat on a hot tin roof. The more ideal place to trade them long is when they're trending up above their 50MA, maybe between the 20 and the 40 day MA's where they're not so prone to sudden reactions/failures. This is true for all tech stocks; some more than others.

Some of these sharp sell-offs are real (based on reaction to specific news, reported or unreported), and some are "technical". I'd always be checking to see if there is any fundamental "news" effecting the stock reported or rumored (you said it was for no reason, so that points to technical), or if it's just a technically-driven selloff, that is just psychological fear/greed group behavior. When a stock is extended way out above the MA, it's potentially like the first person out of the burning building sort of situation on every pullback. The panic (technical) selloffs are more likely to reverse back up quickly, perhaps the next day. So sometimes, I might hold a stock through a "trap door" event like that; but it usually will prove unwise.

Another thing to be cognizant of, is fair value in relation to program trading triggers. A lot of the Wall St. firms have fixed trigger points where they will go into the market and sell huge quantities of certain stocks, when the futures trade at too much of a premium to stocks. There are some ways to detect this, but it's simpler just to watch the S&P Futures - you'll see it when the "sell programs" hit. Sometimes, the sell programs are hitting the tech stocks and the internets; at other times they are more concentrated in the listed stocks, and the other sectors like financials and cyclicals. It's a good idea to step aside or get short when they're running those things repeatedly throughout the day.

Stepping back a bit, if you're going to trade internet stocks, you have to recognize that this sort of volatility is going to "get" you once in a while. So what I have done, is build up a "war chest" of profits from trading these mongrels that I track; and I never let them take back more than a certain % of it. In these stocks, your stops have to be wider, and the losses are going to be bigger. But, the profits are bigger too. But, you must be nimble - or they'll blow you out of the water, and take back your profits on these things.

BTW, some of the more conventional tech stocks will trade that way too, at times. INTC comes to mind - they love to jam that thing down six points going right into the close, out of the blue for no reason. Usually, it recovers the next morning.

Regards, -Steve



To: KM who wrote (127)6/7/1999 12:10:00 AM
From: -  Respond to of 18137
 
KM, I thought of another way you can avoid "the bids falling out" situation on NSOL. And that is - trade the better-quality internet stocks instead - I would suggest YHOO, AMZN, EBAY, and (if you don't mind NYSE stocks) AOL.

Although volumes can be comparable with NSOL, it doesn't tell the whole story. Market makers "act different" with these stocks - they make more of a legitimate market in them than with the less-respected the 2nd and 3rd-tier "internet IPO dejour" stocks. They are much more likely to just "disappear" from the bid, leaving the stock in a free-fall. And both the number and quality of the market makers "playing" each level is better. In short, you are trading a piece of junk! Which is OK of course, except for the above...

And, if I might say so (it doesn't matter, I trade the stocks of a lot of companies that I don't particularly admire), Network Solutions is well known as a bit of a garbage pit of a company - I was truly amazed they were able to take it public (Tulip bulbs are here, for sure). Talk about surly/arrogant customer service, for a lot of years - Yuch! I know, all the more reason to "scalp" them, huh? But, there are many better-quality, better-tradnig internet stocks out there. At least AMZN/EBAY/YHOO/AOL are well-run, classy outfits. And the way their stocks trade reflects that - the market makers treat them in a classier way; aren't as worried about getting stuck with inventory I guess.

Good trading, -Steve