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The New Power

An SI Board Since September 2003

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Introduction Compact

At the beginning of the 20th Century there was a vicious struggle between Edison and Westinghouse over power paradigms. Edison was the proponent of small distributed power stations using DC and Westinghouse proposed using large centralized plants to generate power using AC and then transmit the power over long distances.

It is pretty obvious who won that battle.

Now at the beginning of the 21st Century things are changing. The “Blackout of ‘03” has made people aware that the transmission grid is aging, becoming overloaded and less reliable. New public policy will be made in the next couple of years and tons of money will be thrown at the problem. Should we upgrade the grid or should we spend money on new paradigms such as distributed power?

Here is one scenario: The mechanical power in Watts produced by the auto industry each year is equal to the electrical generation capacity of the US grid. If there is a 10% penetration of fuel cell cars, each capable of powering 10 houses, it would only take ten years to completely displace centralized generation.

Here is an EPRI presentation that gives costs to install various generation technologies:

afe39.org

($/kW)
Coal 900 - 1300
Gas Turbine 650 - 900
IC Engine 400 - 625
Microturbine 750
Fuel Cell 3000
Wind Power 1000 - 1500
Solar Cell 6500

More cost data, found by Tippet:

eia.doe.gov
Here is a presentation by NREL that discusses the costs associated with reliability.

energy2002.ee.doe.gov.

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166	Anyone still here?	Tom Swift	-	6/9/2006
165	Sounds pretty bad.	peter michaelson	-	3/14/2004
164	Scam all the way according to stocklemon.com stocklemon.com	Bud G	-	3/13/2004
163	WIND power promoted London Free Press, Canada A green-energy enthusiast with an	Tom Swift	-	1/16/2004
162	ARCTIC Blast Breaks Natural Gas Usage Records Again This Week in ... Business W	Tom Swift	-	1/16/2004
161	FITCH Places the Debt of Premcor Refining Grp on Watch Positive Business Wire (p	Tom Swift	-	1/16/2004
160	MEPS back funding of nuclear power stations Euractiv, Belgium ... 13 January 200	Tom Swift	-	1/14/2004
159	This is an amusing headline: FEDS, Idaho Power near agreement on snails IdahoSt	Tom Swift	-	1/14/2004
158	PLATINUM - based fuel cell buses enter service in London Platinum today, UK The	Tom Swift	-	1/14/2004
157	INDIA is a responsible nuclear power: PM Times of India, India ... programme, ci	Tom Swift	-	1/13/2004
156	KANSAI Elec, M'bishi Materials' New Fuel Cell Sys -Nikkei Yahoo News TOK	Tom Swift	-	1/13/2004
155	DYNAMOTIVE Energy Systems 2003 Review and Forward Plan for 2004 Business Wire (p	Tom Swift	-	1/13/2004
154	VT. energy plan draws fire at public meeting Brattleboro Reformer, VT ... He sai	Tom Swift	-	1/9/2004
153	SOME businesses turn to sun for power sinesses turn to sun Las Vegas Review-Jour	Tom Swift	-	1/9/2004
152	KNAPPSTER : Blue Diamond Hill power plant proposal . . . Las Vegas Mercury, NV R	Tom Swift	-	1/8/2004
151	I thought this one was particularly interesting: Micro Fuel Cell Runs Cool Tec	Tom Swift	-	1/7/2004
150	AS Natural Gas Prices Soar, ACEEE, MEEA and NAIMA Call for ... Business Wire (p	Tom Swift	-	1/7/2004
149	US welcomes N.Korean offer on nuclear power program ABS CBN News, Philippines WA	Tom Swift	-	1/6/2004
148	FORUM on Biomass Energy, Power Generation Is Thursday, Jan. 8 AScribe DAVIS, Cal	Tom Swift	-	1/6/2004
147	US delegation travels to North Korea amid offer to halt nuclear ... San Francis	Tom Swift	-	1/6/2004
146	Might as well start posting these again. I see that the portfolio is up nicely	Tom Swift	-	1/6/2004
145	Energy bill stirs outcry in the South By JIM GALLOWAY The Atlanta Journal-Con	Tom Swift	-	9/23/2003
144	Todays News: EUB chief vows to fight TVA increase - Daily Post Athenian, TN <	Tom Swift	-	9/23/2003
143	Todays News: I lost power due to the hurricane, I was out for about 2 days, The	Tom Swift	-	9/22/2003
142	Fuel cell R&D gets boost with $5.4 million in new DOE grants pepei.pennnet.	Copperfield	-	9/18/2003

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