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Michael Murphy's Technology and Biotech Outlook 6/98
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The original version can be found at
http://www.techstocks.com/~wsapi/investor/newsletter-69

Michael Murphy, Editor of the California Technology Stock Letter
ctsl.com and mutual fund manager, provides the following
interview. An annual subscription is $295 for 24 issues and can be contacted
by phone at (650)-726-8495. Below is the write up.

Q: During the last week we have seen a rally in technology stocks, is this
a blip or will we see new highs in the technology indexes?

A: Yes, I think we will see new highs and have seen the bottom here. There is
usually a summer slump in technology stocks. The old saying is, "to sell them
at the Hambrect & Quist Conference," which is in the first weekend in May
and we had a good size sell off. The sell off was based on fears of the June
quarter earnings and we obviously had many companies pre announcing poor
results. There may be a few more pre announcements but, we are coming to
an end of that period. We then go into actual earnings reports, which will not
be that bad. More importantly, the forward looking statements that the
companies make about what September and December look like are shaping
out to look good. Normally there will be another sell off around August or
right after Labor Day. The strongest part of the cycle for Tech Stocks is the
Fourth Quarter Rally and we are basically setting ourselves up for that.

Q: Some Wall Street analysts were predicting poor earnings estimates
such as with Western Digital's earnings shortfall announcement. Will
there be a downside pressure for certain sectors?

A: There are some sectors where there is significant price pressure. They are
SRAM, DRAM and disk drives. Pricing pressure is hurting those particular
companies in terms of profit margins. Other sectors are hurting revenues
because they sell to Asia. These include 3Com, Motorola and Qualcomm,
where they are selling to the far east consumer. For semiconductor equipment
companies, their customers would love to buy equipment, but they cannot get
the letters of credit. The equipment orders will most likely bottom in this
September quarter. The DRAM problem will last for the rest of this year.
Recently, in a press release, the Semiconductor Industry Association stated
the sale of chips in Asia actually went up in April. This is the second month
they were up. Chip sales were also up year over year. I think we are in the
bottoming phase right now. There are some weak areas and there are strong
areas like communications. The main thing driving this is that we still have
double digit growth in personal computers (PC's). In the first quarter, we had
15% growth, 10% in the current quarter, which should be the low and
between 10% and 12% growth in the September quarter. There should be a
very good fourth quarter, which is when 50% of all PC's sales occur.

Q: Those numbers you just gave me, are those the previous years sales?

A: Yes, year over year sales. That is a really good point because Wall Street
tends to look at the numbers sequentially. When you tend to look the
technology business sequentially, you get this big jump in the fourth quarter,
which always makes them happy and they run the stocks up. When you look
at the numbers on a sequential basis you tend to get 3 flat quarters. The
March quarter does not have Christmas in it and that tends to be flat. The
June quarter always has been a recovery quarter from the March quarter. The
summer quarter usually depends on what goes on in Europe. The Wall Street
analysts are looking at the sequential numbers, which look like they are flat or
down. We look at the year over year numbers which are showing double digit
growth.

Q: What about the famous "Intel question," what is their story?

A: We sold Intel last August at $101 before the Asian concerns. We publicly
stated to buy their stock if it goes under $75 and load up the truck if it goes
under $70. At the November analyst meeting, Intel said they would have 3
sequentially down quarters, with June being the low. That information has
been recycled by Wall Street over and over to knock the stock down. A few
weeks ago Rob Chaplinsky at Hambrecht & Quist said, Intel would not
earn the estimated $0.70 this coming quarter and actually earn $0.65
"because things are bad." This knocked their stock down and Intel did
something that I have never seen them do before. They released a statement
that said, "We have no intention of changing our guidance for Wall Street." I
think Intel was upset at Rob because he has a lot of contacts at Intel. They
should report the $0.70. Intel will then be through the weak part of the year
and then be headed into the strongest part of the year.

Q: Do you think this is the absolute low here?

A: Yes, they will earn about $3.15 this year. Their PE ratio is the same as the
S&P 500. For PC sales this year, the lowest estimate I have seen is by
Dataquest which is 90 million units, up from 80 million last year. A more
reasonable estimate for this year is 93 million units. PC sales in 1999 will be
up 12% to 15% given that both Windows 98 and Windows NT will be
shipping. Europe is getting stronger and they have been out of the market for
three years. Europe is picking up a lot of the slack that Asia is creating. I think
Intel will be at $85 by the end of the year or sooner and our target for early
next year is $120.

Q: What about Asia, are they starting to stabilize?

A: I take Asia very seriously. That is why we sold Intel last August. Asia is
not a one quarter waterfall, which the street was worried about in the
December quarter of 1997. Asia is in a depression and GDP is down 30% in
some of those countries. It is a depression no matter how you cut it! They will
not come back until the West comes in with capital. The West will come in
and reliquify their banking system, build semiconductor factories and joint
ventures. I do not think the impact of Asia is over but, I do think the
technology sector of the market has pretty much discounted it. The rest of the
market is what worries me. Asia is going to have a big impact on Airlines such
as Boeing and Toys R US. Toys said they are having profit margin
problems because of what is going on in Asia. They are supposed to be a
beneficiary of the Asian Crisis. In the second half of the year, some fairly
significant disappointments in S&P earnings will occur because of the pricing
pressures and margin pressures coming out of Asia.

Q: Do you think that the technology stocks have a brighter outlook in
general when compared to the rest of the market?

A: I think they do. That is the place where the only real unit growth is. When
you look at the unit shipments, demand is good. You have to be careful of the
areas where there is clear oversupply, such as in the DRAM and diskdrive
sectors. In the second half of this year, I would expect tech stocks, relative to
the rest of the market, will start to look good and see some money flow back
our way.

Q: Where there some specific technology stocks you like?

A: We are buying Applied Materials, Intel, LSI Logic, Adobe Systems
and Credence Systems. They are all quality companies. We do own some
small companies that we think will go up and are buying Diamond
Multimedia, Informix, Ross Systems, Mattson Technology and
Quickturn Design. It may be early but, we are buying Integrated Device
Technology and Cypress Semiconductor. They are being hurt by low
SRAM prices. Cymer is another one that we are buying and they essentially
have monopoly for their deep ultraviolet lasers.

Q: You also cover Intevac don't you?

A: We have been buying them. It will probably stay depressed a little longer
than the other stocks we own because they are associated with the disk drive
industry, which is in the pits. Western Digital is tempting, selling at only 25%
of sales, but it is hard to see them making any money this year until the
pressure lightens up in the disk drive area. We are buying Intevac, but it is
more of a longer term investment. There is no doubt these stocks will snap
back. As confidence returns to the technology sector, larger names will lead
as portfolio managers buy the big names first.

Q: What do you foresee in the Biotech area?

A: We have had a lot of delays in terms of announcements of deals and FDA
approvals. Last year there were 27 approvals and there should be 50 this
year. Ligand Pharmaceuticals and Isis Pharmaceuticals filed for
approvals and they should be approved by the end of the year. Biotech
stocks have been in a six year bear market and they all look cheap. We try to
buy stocks that are going to have specific near term news. The first one is
Cephalon. They will soon meet with the FDA and their new drug should be
approved. Their stock could hit $20.

InSite Vision is about to announce a huge deal with a glaucoma company.
Their stock is selling for less than $4 a share and it could have a nice run.
Amylin Pharmaceuticals has phase III trials coming at the end of this year
for their diabetes treatment.

Q: Didn't they have a major partner pull out?

A: Yes, J&J was their partner. They gave Amylin $165 million and walked
away from the product. They had two phase III trials, one of which was
successful with Juvenile diabetes.

Q: Do you feel they will be successful?

A: Yes, Amylin did nine phase II trials, and the results were all statistically
significant in every trial. They did two phase III's and the results were
significant in 3 out of 4 data points. They have six remaining trials and I expect
those to all be successful.

Q: How high could Amylin's stock go if their diabetes drug was
approved?

A: An early stage biotech company has about a $100 million market cap.
When they are a late stage company like Amylin is, it should have a market
cap of about $300 million. Once they have an approved drug, the average
market cap is $3 billion. Getting a company like Amylin into a $600 to $800
million market capitalization is a perfectly reasonable target, which would be a
return of 5 to 7 times on your money.

Q: When do those test results come back for Amylin?

A: Those results come at the end of this year in Europe. They will have two
phase III trials that will be completed in Europe. They will file for European
approval early next year. The U.S. trials end in the middle of 1999. The
results will be analyzed by the end of 1999 and they will apply for approval in
the U.S. in the year 2000. It is a fairly short timeline.

Q: What else do you like in the biotech area?

A: Many companies are making progress with cancer. It is a very difficult
disease with many different kinds of cancer's. It is easier to get approval in
that area. Two of the companies we like in that area are Ligand and Isis.
Vical and Sugen are also in that area. All four of these companies work
inside of the cell in the human body. They work very close with DNA using a
variety of techniques ranging from gene therapy, antisense to health signaling
to help or start a protein at the source. All of those companies have shown
good results in early stage treatments for their products. Scios is a little risky
because they have one drug they filed for approval called Natrecor for
congestive heart failure. They recently announced a strategic alliance with
Bayer. There is a cloud over Scios because one of their drugs has been
stopped for clinical trials and no one knows why. It will be a few months
before we find out. It has sold off to a point where that drug could be "killed"
and Scios would be worth a lot more just based on Natrecor which should
be approved in about a year.

Q: What about the larger biotech companies?

A: We have been buying Amgen. The rap on the company is that they have
no products in the pipeline. In truth, they do have a lot coming along. They put
money into other smaller biotech companies. We are also big fans of Chiron.
They have about two dozen major clinical programs coming along. They will
wind up being a consolidator in this business, buying other technologies and
companies.

Thank You Michael!
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