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To: Scumbria who wrote (61357)	6/11/1999 1:57:00 AM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 1571802

Sumbria, everyone is joyous about the faster SpecInt95 and SpecFP95 but nobody has posted any numbers. How about posting SpecInt95 & SpecFP95 numbers and configurations? Don't just tell us x% faster, how about some numbers? EP

To: Scumbria who wrote (61357)	6/11/1999 1:58:00 AM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571802

Scumbria, Thanks for the post and the data. Lack of SMP does not surpise me. They probably will target end of year for that. Sure would like to see the K7 with larger L2 cache - should blow the SPEC numbers wide open. RDM mentioned that 3dNow had been significantly enhanced. And finally what was the general mood - were folks impressed with the numbers or were they expecting more. Regards, Kash

To: Scumbria who wrote (61357)	6/11/1999 2:43:00 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571802

RE: "K7 appears to be quite manufacturable." Scumbria, Thanks for attending. Did he say anything re: manufacturing - any details to your assessment and/or your thoughts? Thanks, Amy J

To: Scumbria who wrote (61357)	6/11/1999 3:22:00 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571802

Thanks, Scumbria, for your notes. I just got back from playing some b-ball, which is why I still have to catch up with all these posts. My initial feeling is that Dirk is exaggerating some of the advantages of the K7, but then I remind myself that the K7 probably doesn't need any exaggeration. Those 3D Winbench scores, however, aren't too reliable since they seem to change with the wind (and the system configuration, and the drivers, etc.). As for SpecInt and SpecFP scores, well, at least now we finally have some ballpark figures regarding K7 performance, so we no longer have to resort to benchmarks run by a high school kid. ;-) Here's a few other points in the presentation that I'll comment on: <The point-to-point connections on the bus allow for much higher speeds than Intel CPU's. 400 MHz is easily obtainable.> This statement is very interesting, since Intel is sticking to the multiprocessor bus with Merced. I don't know about the 400 MHz speed being "easily attainable," or else current Alpha 21264 systems would be running their processor port faster than just 333 MHz. <No third party chipsets until the end of the year. Lots of support after then (VIA, SIS, etc.)> This is perhaps the biggest concern. AMD really doesn't have the fab space to dedicate toward chipsets. The lack of available third-party chipsets means the K7 infrastructure is still in question. Like I said before, it's hard for me to believe that Dirk Meyer has any reason to stretch the truth here. K7 really does sound like serious competition to Intel. (Manufacturing concerns aside, of course.) Tenchusatsu

To: Scumbria who wrote (61357)	6/11/1999 3:38:00 AM
From: Brian Malloy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571802

Yes, hope does spring eternal. Lest we forget the lessons of the past: techstocks.com

To: Scumbria who wrote (61357)	6/11/1999 10:16:00 AM
From: AreWeThereYet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571802

Interesting, now see if AMD able to steal some highend market share from Intel. The improvement in Asian economy should benefit AMD or any non-Intel chip makers. I remain concerned about their ability to supply K7 chipset in high volume. Does AMD has any plan on system-on-a-chip? With Celeron 366 priced at $69/1000 and the i810 chipset. AMD has no choice but to either loss the margin or loss the market share. aC

To: Scumbria who wrote (61357)	6/11/1999 10:56:00 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1571802

Thanks for your report. I had bought more amd yesterday so that it was especially good to hear your comments.