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To: Dayuhan who wrote (46472)7/22/1999 11:07:00 PM
From: The Philosopher  Respond to of 108807
 
Hear hear.



To: Dayuhan who wrote (46472)7/23/1999 2:53:00 AM
From: E  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 108807
 
<<<Every one of them is at least as great a
tragedy as some feckless dilettante flying his
toy into the ocean. One wonders what he thought
in the moment that he realized that money and
fame wouldn't exempt him from paying the price
for overstepping his bounds.>>>

I assume he thought, I'm going to die, I'm a fool, I'm going to die and I don't know what to do to stop it, and I'm killing these two, too, oh my god we're all going to die because I don't know what to do, we're going to die, we're going to die, and all because of me, I did it, we're going to die. And then he did.

It makes my blood run cold to imagine his thoughts during the plunge.

I feel the same about celebrity-worshipping as you do, I'm sure. And I also don't object to tasteless humor if it's funny.

Still...

<<<With less than 100 flying hours, an unfamiliar
aircraft, and no certification for night flying, taking off
under those conditions was an act of blatant stupidity. If you
were driving at 90 mph on wet roads, at night, and wrapped
your car around a tree, would that have "just happened"?>>>

Yep, it was stupid and immature and he used his toy irresponsibly.

But it's so facile to dismiss a death with a "Oh, he asked for it, being so stupid."

I've done stupid, irresponsible things, but I survived. I'll bet you have, too. Stupider than brashly, irresponsibly overestimating your skills as a pilot.

Dying, and knowing you're taking others with you, is too high a price to pay for being a cocky fool. If it were the usual price, we'd all be dead. And since it's too high a price, it seems cruel to communicate such cavalierness about it, to communicate something roughly like, Who cares, he asked for it.

I know it's sometimes hard to feel for the trials of the very fortunate. Actually, mostly near impossible. But this is death. He didn't do a vicious thing, he did a stupid one.

<<<I have no respect for people who don't know and
respect their own limits, no matter who their daddies were.>>>

The issue isn't for whom you have "respect," I don't think. I don't have any particular, notable "respect" for him, either. But he died, terrifyingly, and so sorry for his folly, as they fell out of the sky.

So you're seeming rather hard hearted to me, Steven. Or at least unimaginative.

<<<Every day, thousands of people are shot, stabbed, blown up,
tortured, maimed and killed in accidents that were far
beyond their control, killed by diseases they don't
understand, etc., etc., etc. Every one of them is at least as
great a tragedy as some feckless dilettante flying his toy
into the ocean. >>>

Of course. We do weigh certain things when someone dies, and draw our conclusions. I'm only suggesting that yours here are hard, Steven, all things considered.



To: Dayuhan who wrote (46472)7/23/1999 3:04:00 AM
From: jpmac  Respond to of 108807
 
Do you know a feckless dilettante personally? <eom>



To: Dayuhan who wrote (46472)7/23/1999 8:13:00 AM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Kennedy was VFR qualified, just not qualified on instruments. I would grant the action was reckless, but it seems he paid the ultimate penalty and IMO its just poor taste to make fun of it. JLA



To: Dayuhan who wrote (46472)7/23/1999 8:30:00 AM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
no matter who their daddies were.

. . some feckless dilettante flying his toy . .

. . money and fame wouldn't exempt him . .

I can respect celebrities who earned their fame by their own
achievements. But I don't see anything so special those who got famous
because of their parents, or because of who they married.


Permit me to say you seem to be have a lot of resentment toward those born to privilege.

Seems to me privilege is a relative thing. To a barefoot uneducated peasant in some hot, dusty third world village those of us who can sit in a soft chair in an air-conditioned room and amuse ourselves with a computer might seem to be spoiled dilettantes. Sure we earned the money that bought these things and didn't just inherit them, yet would we have ever been able to earn them if we hadn't been born in an environment which offered us relatively rich educational and economic opportunities? The odds would be against it.

Personally I can't feel any anger or resentment toward JFK Jr. regardless of how much wealth he inherited. Ditto for the Bush family, Quayle family, Forbes, and etc. My wise grandmother taught me one shouldn't judge people by the circumstances of their birth - and that goes for things like race and ethnicity as well as for things like family wealth or poverty.

Bruce