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Pastimes : JFK Jr., Is this an assasination? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: C Kahn who wrote (449)	8/23/1999 9:07:00 AM
From: MNI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542

Trier is a very nice town, and a very traditional one, too. Do visit Trier if ever you come to Germany. Forget about Berlin, e.g. ! I think her being from a Trier dynasty makes her even more understandable to me than before. I am not so sure whether she more fled her country or her family and relations (no offense intended). I think you should try to watch 'Das Schreckliche Maedchen' ('The nasty girl', but 'nasty' seems mistranslated, see below) to understand her situation even better. I add some links, but maybe you could search on. Be sure to enter the director's name (Verhoeven) into the search, otherwise you would be drowned by dirt. <<Monday, April 27--The Nasty Girl (Das schreckliche Mädchen, 1990) (Director: Verhoeven; biting serio-comic story of a young woman from a small Bavarian town who relentlessly uncovers the involvement of her townspeople during the Nazi times) >> internetstore.bc.ca <<Ignore the misleading title. "The Nasty Girl" is an alternately hilarious and sad, and occasionally somewhat shocking, account of a young girl's obsessive search for the truth — based on a true story.>> desnews.com In German, the title cannot be understood in this misleading way, although the translation is correctly taken word-by-word. Seems there are different fields of association as well for girl as for nasty in English compared to German. I don't want to say that there is any link between her, her relatives or town-mates and NAZI crimes (although it is more probable than improbable for most of us) but the same kind of hypocrisy and closed-door behaviour that was well depicted in that film may be used for different purposes and then may constitute a real reason to leave your place, or even Germany, and have more hope in other places... additionally she is from the other side of the social and refugee problem, compared to my parents ... The thing with 'class' was a side remark. I did understood 'class' and 'social class', but wanted to remark that this notion is not taken for granted in Germany, the mother-country of Marxism. BTW Karl Marx was actually born (and raised, I think) in Trier. So was Friedrich Spee, that late medieval monk that started campaigning against crucibles. As you may know, the crucible mentioned in Arthur Miller's 'The crucible' as a parable of the McCarthy era's processes took place quite some time after the last one in Germany. In German we would either speak of 'Schichten' ('layers' or 'tiers' of society), or more often and more precisely, of groups with 'a high/low/medium income level', 'a high/low education level', 'the elderly', 'families with several children ', etc. I think 'social class' is the closest you can get to our 'Schichten'. I also wanted to remind us that there may be more language precautions appropriate than one would think in the first place. Please do read Message 11033355 'In Germany, we have ways of making you laugh'. I do not know anything about the 'Jerry Springer Show'. However I know a number of German TV shows that give me an awkward feeling, so I assume I know how you feel. I kept this in mind all the time, but sometimes you simply don't notice anymore where the information came from. The reunification had a different meaning for me from what friend told you, but that is enough not only for a post, but for a thread of its' own. Regards MNI.