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To: Machaon who wrote (1019)	9/16/1999 12:28:00 PM
From: Starduster234	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

Unfortunately when J.Edgar Hoover died, he was not replaced by an FBI Executive..It became a Political Appointment..That is why it has been such a disaster.The first Political appointment was Grey who was the CEO of United Technology..He did not know his ear from his elbow about Law Enforcement..and on and on. Hoover answered to noone except the President himself. therefore he had to run a tight ship. He was the founder of this agency and there were many good honest upright Agents when he was in power..My sister worked for him and my brother in law was an Agent for many years prior to his death...Both of them state that he was far from being gay...SD

To: Machaon who wrote (1019)	9/16/1999 12:43:00 PM
From: C Kahn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

Robert Barry, I suppose you think that the guy who killed 7 teenagers in a church was fighting the "Conspiracy". I do believe that there is a religious fundamentalist conspiracy to make America a fundamentalist state. After all, what's this country coming to when teenagers can't think of something better to do than go to church?

To: Machaon who wrote (1019)	9/16/1999 1:55:00 PM
From: Merritt	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1449

Mr. Barry: <<I object strongly to the fear mongers who claim that our whole system is riddled with conspiracies to take away our rights or our freedom. OTOH, I do believe that there is a religious fundamentalist conspiracy to make America a fundamentalist state.>> You only see what you want to see. You paint the conservatives in this country with a broad and slimy brush, and the Clintonistas can, at worst, make a small faux pas. Such a simplistic view implies a simple mind, IMHO. <<We could also use an effective war on drugs that we aren't constantly losing.>> How are we going to "win the war on drugs" in a free society, when we can't keep them out of our most controlled population - the prisons? The "war on drugs" presents the government with a major potential opportunity, IMHO, to further infringe on our rights. As I said before, the real threat to our liberty isn't so much the fringe groups - it's our government itself. You say our democratic system has all our freedoms protected because we can just elect someone new if we're dissatisfied; but did you know that until term limits were initiated, there was a greater turnover in the USSR's Duma (where there was only a one party system) than in our Congress. That's because Congress stacked the deck to make it difficult for anyone outside the main parties to gain access to the public, while those in office flood our mail boxes and TV with a deluge of self-serving propaganda. Race horses are fitted with blinders so they won't be distracted from running their race...people are supposed to be smart enough to be able to filter out the distractions for themselves, and shouldn't wear blinders - don't you find them limiting?

To: Machaon who wrote (1019)	9/16/1999 4:33:00 PM
From: Null Dog Ago	Respond to of 1449

Fingers are pointing at the current administration, who are in turn creating scapegoats.

To: Machaon who wrote (1019)	9/16/1999 5:50:00 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

We need strong and effective ATF, FBI, CIA, Armed forces and police. We could also use an effective war on drugs that we aren't constantly losing. If anything, the drug problem is getting worse. There is no real war on drugs. It might look like it to you but then it doesn't take much to punch your buttons. Try and make an argument that the war on drugs is any different than the period of prohibition, then decide if a "war" is the proper response. Your fear of the religious fundamentalists is irrational. How are they supposed to change this country, by voting and influencing politics? It's incredible that people so easily believe the government propaganda. BTW, in regards to Koresh, you left out the charge that they had a meth lab going there, the most outlandish of all charges, some that clearly fall into the subjective arena of lifestyle and have nothing to do with breaking laws. You know if you kill all these people, then you don't have to try them and convict them of any charges, you merely "convict" them later with information not facts. You should cultivate a larger source of information and not believe so much of the government story unless it has facts and makes sense.

To: Machaon who wrote (1019)	9/17/1999 5:12:00 PM
From: Ralphd2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1449

<<We need strong and effective ATF, FBI, CIA, Armed forces and police. We could also use an effective war on drugs that we aren't constantly losing. If anything, the drug problem is getting worse.>> we are losing a "war" that is being fought against ourselves by a government that no longer cares to respect our decisions, while extorting funds from us under threat of force. studies have shown, that with 2 similar but isolated groups of youth, if you expose one group to anti-drug propaganda, that group is 400% more likely to start using drugs! sounds like the drug war is working some unintended consequences... california passed propisition 215 three years ago. it decriminalized marijuana use for the terminally ill, and those who suffer chronic pain. MJ has been proven in studies conducted in the University of washington to halt the progression of glaucoma. they are also covered under prop 215. california state police are still arresting users, regardless of medical status. they continue to confiscate medicinal MJ from cancer patients. but most compelling, the state of CA is stripping doctors of thier medical licenses if they proscribe MJ to anyone, or for any reason. I'm glad you realize we're losing the "war on drugs". hopefully, soon, America will stop this hemmoraging of tax funds, and adopt a more humane treatement for those who are weak willed, depressed, or just plain stupid enough to get addicted, instead of criminalizing them and waging war on our wallets