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To: Bill Ounce who wrote (696)	9/17/1999 10:38:00 AM
From: Nate	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

they issue here is the fact that evolution is not REQUIRED LEARNING it can still be taught in kansas but is not required to graduate. they are not trying to block the teaching just making it not required.

To: Bill Ounce who wrote (696)	9/17/1999 11:40:00 AM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Bill Ounce:" Science can say nothing about God." Wrong. That is the whole point of Kansas. A couple of grave diggers, Sagan,Dawkins,Lewontin,Jay Gould are saying a lot about God: i.e. that He does not exist. Based on what? Based on a couple of skulls that even have a missing link, i.e. no hard evidence. This in science is called extrapolation and it is not proof. Scientists 2000 years ago left meat in a jar and few days later maggots came out. They extrapolated that maggots were created by meat. Give me a break. These grave diggers have similarly extrapolated that we came from slime. That has still a long way to be proven and they haven't. Meanwhile however, and here is the Kansas Board rub, they, and the Public School Intelligentsia will not let the teaching of other extrapolations i.e. that the Universe was created by God, based on other data that many people believe are just as credible as buried skulls going nowhere so far ( the missing links issue ). I am talking about miracles for example . The Vatican Archives are full of documented evidence, from State University Hospital records, written by credible physicians ( independent Professors at University Medical Schools across the world , many of who are non- Christians ), that people were healed i n an unexplainable manner; that is in a manner totally inconsistent with the normal natural course of that disease.ie a miracle. When one day you have an X-rayed and biopsied deadly cancer mass, and next week it's gone, many people scratch their heads and say," hey wait a minute, what's going on? Divine intervention?". That is why Sagan and co are having a hard time selling 90% of Americans on the " we came from slime evolution issue " and rightly so. Bottom line: 1)Most Americans ( includes me ) want a full text of all the scientific data on evolution to be taught in High School 2)However we do not want to draw conclusions based on so far incomplete evolutionary data to also conclude, and teach, that there is no God. ( The current trend towards atheism in schools ). 3)more and more Americans, through vouchers, these days , want also religion to be taught to their children. i.e. they want evolution and religion to coexist until the matter is resolved in a definite manner ( i.e. until we assume room temperature, the only sure way to find out, <VBG> ). Most Americans ( includes me ) 1) do not want religion to be forced on any high schooler 2) do not believe in " creationism " which , in the opinion of most, is still in a pseudoscientific method of trying to apply mostly metaphorical Biblical descriptions to natural events TA

To: Bill Ounce who wrote (696)	9/17/1999 6:42:00 PM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Bill, you said.."Science is based upon observation, we can't observe God, so Science can say nothing about God. That's why God is left out of the picture. It's kinda like trying to do a math proof using a step "then a miracle occurred". For more info see talkorigins.org and talkorigins.org " I agree wholeheartedly, you can't be scientific and say "then a miracle occurred" LOL.... However, I would say that science does observe God. In fact, I'd say it comes ever closer to understanding God within the bits it figures out- without ever quite getting there. Quite plausibly I think I can say GOD is ALL that science ever observes. OK? I mean hey, it's(the universe, life?) all miraculous and wondrous(which may prod folks to endeavor to be scientists). Science discovers logical truths behind things. "Science" believes there will always be such explanations available- I agree; but as knowledge leads to more questions(greater ignorance?) and more difficult problems to solve, even scientists may bow down to the unknowable and call it-- GOD. I think that's probably appropriate, hence I believe in a "creating" force we can't measure around here. I can't prove it, you can't disprove it- science has a long way to go on that one, VBG. However it seems...logical, to me. LOL, but seriously! Disclaimer- I do not attend any church nor do I believe in a single dogmatic religion in this world. Dan B