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To: TigerPaw who wrote (844)	9/19/1999 3:31:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

TP: " I f there is no God everything is permitted ", I mean First of all I clearly intend to mean by God, the Judeo-Christian God. By everything I mean all the thoughts and actions not clearly forbidden by the Judeo- Christan God. By everything I mean everything: any thought or act; any philosophical or moral norm. By implication, I also mean ( or draw a conclusion from ) the above that -you cannot define an absolute good or bad. -there is No Absolute Good or Bad. -Good or Bad is defined by Your Religion or Your God. -In other socities, who have a different God(s) with different (moral) norms, than ours, if you take away those God(s) and norms then everything is permitted. -If you have no specific religion or god then Good or Bad can only be defined by society and enforced as such ( an example of this I think would be the increase in " thought police " going on in our Universities were more and more things are defined as to what is " politically correct " or " what is the correct behaviour between sexes " or between different "races ". In fact that is going on even in the business world now. - you have a personal right to differ from norms imposed on you by society because as you, I think, stated, does what the majority feel to be correct is correct? No, it may not be. ( Gallileo an example?). That means you can do what you want, as long as you think you can get away with it. Who is to judge you? There is only a City Court Judge: if you can get away why shouldn't you, if you feel different than society in general. ( An example of this would be Anarchists or Terrorist(s) in general. Why are they wrong and Society right ? ) These TP are some of the clear implications if you take off the idea of a Supreme Absolute Definer of what is Good or Evil: everything goes. You said,i>"Does this mean that the good you do and the evil you avoid, is only in fear of eternal damnation. There is no compassion or even mutual interest that comes from your own heart?" I am glad you asked. I can only speak for me and the society I come from. The Judeo-Christian God says: " Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom " So I think that is true. I wil also grant you that there may be people that are individually compassionate but again it is not possible to prove to an individual that if he is compassionate, that if he takes his own spending money to give it to a stranger that that is for their mutual interest. He may never see that person again. In fact there have been cases where by after helping a stranger he turned on you and killed you. Now that would not be a genetically sound decision because after that event I can guarantee you that there would be no biological way of me ever "passing on" my compassionate genes to my offspring . That unfortunately would be the end of the glorious TA lineage, TA Message #844 from TigerPaw at Sep 19 1999 2:18PM "In essence my own conclusion is that if there is no God everything is permitted." Does this mean that the good you do and the evil you avoid, is only in fear of eternal damnation. There is no compassion or even mutual interest that comes from your own heart? TP

To: TigerPaw who wrote (844)	9/19/1999 4:50:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 69300

Does this mean that the good you do and the evil you avoid, is only in fear of eternal damnation. There is no compassion or even mutual interest that comes from your own heart? And why is there any knowledge of good and evil to begin with? Why do we differentiate between them? Lions kill competitors and that's survival so it can't come from any evolutionary mechanism. The idea that we should not kill competitors is contrary to nature. But we believe that. So this knowledge came from somewhere else. It is in us all too. The ones it misses are labeled psychopaths. Where did the knowledge of good and evil come from?