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To: Petz who wrote (73386)	9/28/1999 7:32:00 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573434

Winmag compares Athlon, PIII 600B with Camino and PIII 600B with VIA. READ IT AND WEEP, INTEL (also RAMBUST)! winmag.com "Intel, in preparation for today's announcement, sent us a reference PC using the new 600MHz part and the new 820 chipset, and the new, 800MHz RDRAM. So we tested it. We also received a new Micron Millennia Max PC with the 600MHz Pentium IIIB and Via Chipset with SDRAM, and tested that. As for comparable PCs powered by AMD's competing Athlon processor, we tested a 600MHz Compaq Presario 5861 last month, and this week benchmarked a 650MHz Athlon-powered Polywell desktop. All these PCs were running Windows 98, except for the Polywell, which ran NT Workstation 4.0, Service Pack 5. The Polywell's scores aren't directly comparable to the Win 98 scores--especially as regards cached disk performance -- because of the difference in the operating system, but I provide them here because they still give an indication of the scale in performance. At Winmag.com, we tend not to emphasize performance differences that much when comparing PCs anymore, because most PCs on the market are plenty fast for most uses, and other considerations are probably more important in your purchasing decision. And when we do talk about performance, we tend to emphasize our WinScore ratings, which average the results of four application tests with three synthetic results from our Wintune program (downloadable at http:\\wintune.winmag.com ), then compare the results to the performance of our reference PC, currently a 450MHz Pentium III-powered Gateway Performance 450. Because Intel emphasizes that the need for higher levels of performance is what is driving it to release the new, 820 chipset and Rambus technology, we wanted to test that claim by comparing benchmark results from the 600MHz Camino test system they provided against these other PCs. The results don't look so good for Intel. For starters, it received the lowest WinScore of the bunch, 125. We've had a number of 440BX Pentium IIIs that beat this score. The Micron Millennia with the Via chipset received a 130, which is the highest score we've recorded for a Pentium III-powered PC. The Compaq Presario 5861 earned a 142 WinScore, and the Polywell (remembering that it's not directly comparable), a 151. That's not what's really interesting, though. The Micron outperformed the 820 system on every single test we ran, except for Direct3D and uncached disk performance, averaging 106.32% the performance of the 820 across all tests. The Athlon-powered Compaq Presario bested the 820 on 10 out of 14 benchmarks, averaging 111.42% the performance of the 820." Petz

To: Petz who wrote (73386)	9/28/1999 7:39:00 PM
From: Goutam	Respond to of 1573434

Petz, My take on this is that, they are able to get upto 900, 1000MHZ to their test spec (may be fewer). The parts that are passing test specs of 700MHz, 800MHz can be overclocked to 900MHz and 1000MHz respectively, with standard cooling but at different spec (out of spec temperature, current drain, leakage current, etc.) While you are at it, here is another link to a very important annoncement (different subject) - PCI-X (64 bit) spec was officially released businesswire.com; Excerpted from the article - PCI-X provides a backward compatible high performance extension to the PCI Local Bus specification that offers an immediate solution to the increased I/O requirements for high-bandwidth applications such as Gigabit Ethernet, Fibre channel, Ultra3 SCSI and high-performance graphics. PCI-X supports 32-bit and 64-bit operations at frequencies up to 133 MHz, allowing performance capability of over 1 Gbyte/sec data throughput. About the PCI SIG: Formed in June 1992, PCI SIG is the industry organization that owns and manages the PCI Local Bus specification. More than 850 industry-leading companies are active PCI SIG members. The organization is chartered to support new requirements while preserving backwards compatibility for all PCI revisions, maintaining the specification as an easy-to-implement, stable technology, and contributing to the technical longevity of PCI and its establishment as an industry-wide standard. For more information, contact PCI SIG via phone at 800/433-5177 (within the U.S.) or fax at 503/693-8344, or visit the PCI SIG Web sit at pcisig.com. PCI-X v1.0 Supporting Quote Sheet 3Com Corp. [...cut...] Adaptec Corp.[...cut...] Compaq Computer Corp.[...cut...] IBM Corporation [...cut...] Intel Corporation [...cut...] Phoenix Technologies, Ltd. [...cut...] Texas Instruments [...cut...] ---------------- Regards, Goutama

To: Petz who wrote (73386)	9/28/1999 9:30:00 PM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573434

Petz, Re: "AMD Inside Info post" Yup, I agree. This guy is clearly a hoax. Fab/Test engineers DO NOT talk about overclocking etc. This is most probably an overclocker trying to gain some notoriety. Reminds me of that GamePC BS that elmer plastered all over SI regarding the Coppermine kicking Athlons BUTT. We should avoid trying to give credence to totally BS posts. regards, Kash J.

To: Petz who wrote (73386)	9/28/1999 10:34:00 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573434

Re: the "AMD Inside Info" does not sound legit. Grove demoed a Coppermine at 1GHZ, Athlon is supposed to be switching to .18 in Al from Austin around now, so 1 or 1.1GHZ from the best few pieces is pretty much to be expected, right? It doesn't mean anything faster than 800MHZ will be a production part (though these would be expected to "test" at 900 or 1000MHZ if they are speced to be stabile and reliable at 800). Weren't we promised 800MHZ AL Athlons out of Austin for Q4? If they're going to ship in any volume by December, wouldn't the early production samples have to be undergoing validation and testing around now? This could be a legitimate report, but if you think about it, it's really nothing more than news that the schedule hasn't slipped. Dan