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To: Dayuhan who wrote (58331)	10/10/1999 9:34:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

I find it depressing that the United States, perhaps the most Christian population in the world, has such high rates of murder and violence, imprisonment, execution, divorce, desertion of children, and social hatred. Reminds me of H. L. Mencken's great statement about Mozart: "He sweated beauty like a Christian sweats hate!" Is there actually something in Christians that makes them murder each other? If atheists were better labeled, maybe with a black bull's eye, do you suppose Christians would murder more atheists? Many Christians are labeled with a cross, but that doesn't seem to help them very much. I think it would be very interesting to study the religious status and ideas of murderers, maybe right before they are executed. or, better, over time. There are a couple of new books that study the causes of violence - Rhodes, Why they Kill, and Beck, Prisoners of Hate. Panned in Fortune. Might be pretty good.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (58331)	10/10/1999 10:09:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Stephen, res-The next logical step is that non-Christians should be forced to accept values as defined by Christians. As a non-Christian, I find this prospect unappealing, to say the least. I would suggest that would only be true if those values were out of alignment, or not compatible with your own values. Valuing fatherhood as a man and treating your marriage as a sacred trust is not something I have a problem with. If that also happens to be a "christian value" why would you care as long as it's something you also value? As far as I know, the "Promise Keepers" aren't forcing anyone to join their group and by extension believe in Jesus. They simply want to share those beliefs with those who believe similarly. And reinforce those beliefs in others who struggle with keeping families together. res-I believe that all groups that believe their ideology to be superior and wish to spread it should rightly be viewed with suspicion and concern. Does this include "freedom", "human rights" or "anti-slavery" ? All groups, including countries, consider their beliefs superior to some degree and try and spread them. Being suspicious and concerned is fine. That doesn't mean some beliefs aren't valuable and worth spreading. Michael