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To: Steve Porter who wrote (76801)10/25/1999 12:03:00 PM
From: Process Boy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572915
 
steve - <It is not likely to be the 'generic' solution for very long for coppermine.>

I remember debating Tad LaFountain at length, and his main premise was that Intel would not have a viable product to compete against K7 in the server / workstation space.

I believe you will find that in short order, i840 board pricing will be significantly lower than it's 440 counterpart at the same stage.

Also, I do wish i820 were out. However, the BX benchmarks are still competitive.

Basicly, my argument is that AMD has an Enthusiast Desktop part...1 part at a few speed grades.

Intel is launching Mobile, Desktop (all segments socket 370, slot 1 etc), Workstation, and Server segments. I'm fairly pleased with the broad nature of the product line on Intel's .18.

I didn't expect Coppermine to win every single sites benchmark wars. But I will tell you this, the results are a lot closer than folks were speculating. Some sites are even calling the i820 / Cumine the choice for serious gamers in the high end market. Why would they do this?

PB



To: Steve Porter who wrote (76801)10/25/1999 2:26:00 PM
From: Paul Engel  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1572915
 
Steve - Re: "That's a little bit of a weak arguement don't you think. I mean lets be honest.. the 840 with dual memory channel and dual cpu support is the best of the best of the best Intel has to offer in terms of motherboards. "

Didn't AMD post Spec Benchmarks based on an AMD motherboard that STILL ISN'T commercially available - even today ???

Where was your RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION decrying AMD's STACKED DECK practice when they did even worse than INTEL ?

Paul



To: Steve Porter who wrote (76801)10/25/1999 2:32:00 PM
From: Paul Engel  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1572915
 
Steve - Re: ". I mean lets be honest.. the 840 with dual memory channel and dual cpu support is the best of the best of the best Intel has to offer in terms of motherboards. It is not likely to be the 'generic' solution for very long for coppermine."

But you CAN BUY the i840 system from your favourite vendor - IBM !!!

Or DELL !!

Paul

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Monday October 25, 8:09 am Eastern Time
Company Press Release
Power of Dell Precision WorkStations Enhanced With New, Faster Processors
650, 700MHz Pentium III Processors Now Available From U.S. NT Workstation Market Leader
ROUND ROCK, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 25, 1999--Dell Computer Corporation (Nasdaq:DELL - news), the world's leading direct computer systems company, today announced availability of Dell Precision(tm) WorkStations with Intel® Pentium® III processors at either 650MHz or 700MHz.

Both the mid-range Dell Precision WorkStation 410 and entry-level Dell Precision WorkStation 210 are available with 650MHz and 700MHz Pentium III processors in single- and dual-processor configurations. Prices for a Dell Precision WorkStation with the new 650MHz Pentium III processor start at $2,100(1).

Dell also announced plans to offer Dell Precision WorkStations in the future based on the Intel 840 chipset. The 840 is a workstation-specific chipset that will offer features such as support for Rambus® (Nasdaq:RMBS - news) memory and AGP 4X graphics technology. Products from Dell based on the 840 chipset will complement and enhance Dell's family of workstations. Dell is the leader in the United States market for workstations using the Windows NT® operating system(2).

All of Dell's workstation products are dual-processor-capable, and the product family consists of the Dell Precision WorkStation 210 and 410, based on the Intel Pentium III processor, and the Dell Precision WorkStation 610, based on the Pentium III Xeon(tm) processor. A full list of prices and configurations can be found on the World Wide Web at dell.com.

Dell Precision WorkStations are intended for professional users who demand exceptional performance in the computer-aided design (CAD), digital content creation (DCC), geographic information systems (GIS), computer animation, software development and financial analysis markets. Dell Precision WorkStations are designed to support Windows® 2000.

Ranked No. 78 among the Fortune 500 companies and No. 210 in the Fortune Global 500, Dell Computer Corporation is the world's leading direct computer systems company, based on revenue of $21.7 billion for the past four quarters. Dell designs, manufactures and customizes products and services to customer requirements and offers an extensive selection of software and peripherals. Information on Dell and its products can be obtained through its toll-free number 800/388-8542 or by accessing the Dell World Wide Web site at www.dell.com.

(1) Price for a Dell Precision WorkStation 210 with desktop chassis, 650MHz Pentium III processor, 6.4GB(3) hard drive, 64MB RAM, Diamond Viper 770D graphics card, no monitor.

(2) Dataquest Advanced Desktops and Workstation Quarterly Statistics Worldwide--Second Quarter 1999.

(3) For hard drives, GB means 1 billion bytes; total accessible capacity varies depending on operating environment.

Prices, products and specifications available in the U.S. only and are subject to change without notice.

Shipping and handling and applicable sales taxes not included in prices.

Dell is a registered trademark and Dell Precision is a trademark of Dell Computer Corporation.

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Intel and Pentium are registered trademarks of Intel Corporation.

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Monday October 25, 12:47 pm Eastern Time
Company Press Release
IBM IntelliStation M Pro Completely Redesigned to Tackle Creative Problems Posed by Digital Design
New Architecture, Faster Processors, Dual Memory Channels -- Anything to Manipulate What Designers See on the Screen, Faster
RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, N.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 25, 1999-- IBM(a) today unveiled its new IntelliStation(a) with faster processors, a new architecture, and dual memory channels that offer more than double the bandwidth of previous models. The IntelliStation M Pro is a complete redesign of the professional workstation that solves new creative problems posed by the world of web design, animation, video editing, and three-dimensional computer-aided design.

Digital designers need to create realistic, detailed images for web-based product catalogues, streaming video for new marketing materials, and three-dimensional models in fast-paced product development cycles. They need to originate these designs as rapidly as possible, manipulate and revise them graphically, and compress them quickly for faster transmission over Internet applications. Their tools must improve productivity, because their labor costs are high. And finer images and designs contain more data, placing additional demands on their workstations.

The new IBM IntelliStation M Pro has been completely redesigned to address these problems. It features new Intel Pentium(b) III processors running at speeds up to 733 MHz (1), with a new 133 MHz front side bus. Faster processors enable the workstation to handle larger numbers of polygons, pixels, or design elements, creating richer and more detailed images. Previous workstations included a single channel for data to flow between the processor and the memory, restricting bandwidth to 800 megabytes per second. The IntelliStation M Pro features dual channels of 1.6 gigabytes each, more than doubling the bandwidth and enabling design changes and revisions to be displayed on screen much more quickly. And the 4X AGP (Advanced Graphics Port) Pro 50 doubles bandwidth and power to the graphics adapter.

The IntelliStation M Pro was designed with the Intel 840 chipset to support up to 2 gigabytes of high-performance Rambus ECC memory. This means the extremely large amounts of data required in these applications have lots of room in memory, simplifying and streamlining the ability to manipulate them in real-time. The new IntelliStation also features a high-speed ATA-66 disk drive interface -- again, double the bandwidth of previous models between disk drive and system memory -- speeding interaction with files stored on the hard drive. Because different applications require different types of graphics displays, the IntelliStation M Pro has been tested and fine-tuned for compatibility with a wide array of graphics cards, including the Intense3D Wildcat 4110 (2), the IBM Fire GL1 (3), the Matrox Millennium G400 (4) and Appian Gemini (5).

''This IntelliStation M Pro represents a revolutionary new design that offers dramatically faster performance -- a veritable number-crunching powerhouse -- with more function, more gigabytes of memory, more bandwidth, and more 2D and 3D graphics choices,'' says Dr. Satish Gupta, vice president, IntelliStation, IBM Personal Systems Group. ''Applications like architectural design, financial services, mechanical computer-aided design, digital content creation, and software engineering demand speed, power and rock-solid compatibility with leading software applications. We've redesigned the new IntelliStation M Pro to tackle these issues, and to lead the industry in performance at a competitive price.''

In addition, the upcoming new IntelliStation Z Pro, IBM's most advanced IntelliStation, was shown today at an Intel news conference in San Jose, Calif. The IntelliStation Z Pro will include Intel's new Pentium III Xeon processors and increased scaleability, meaning that it will be able to handle design problems requiring even more massive amounts of data. It is designed for workstation customers who need the highest performance input/output, graphics, and memory.

IBM Also Unveils New Commercial Desktop Models

New models of the IBM PC 300PL and PC 300GL desktop computers also include Intel's latest generation Pentium III processors at speeds of 533EB MHz, 600EB MHz, 667 MHz, and 733 MHz. The processors feature an integrated Level 2 cache with higher levels of performance than previous generations of the Pentium III. The PC 300 models include the 133 MHz front side bus, 64 or 128 megabytes of memory, AGP 2X or AGP 4X graphics, and up to 27 gigabytes of hard disk space.

IBM IntelliStations and PC 300s offer industry-leading manageability features that help customers lower their total cost of systems ownership, focus more attention on their business and applications, and spend less time running their network. These management technologies include Wake on LAN, Asset ID (6), Alert on LAN, SMART Reaction, and LANClient Control Manager 2.5.1, which help customers deploy and keep track of their PC inventories, monitor system outages and/or tampering, perform automatic data backup, and remotely manage their systems.

New Fingerprint Reader Solution

IBM also announced that it would cooperate with Digital Persona(c) in marketing a new fingerprint reader solution, compatible with IBM User Verification Manager software. A fingerprint reader solution allows computer users to log-in and log-out of applications with their fingerprint, replace passwords, verify their identity for Internet and network transactions, and obtain access to fingerprint-protected web sites. For use with IBM's IntelliStation and PC 300 lines, the solution is expected to be available by first quarter, 2000. The solution continues IBM's focus on security in personal computers. In September, IBM announced an embedded security chip on its PCs, designed to help customers protect data on their PC and in Internet transactions. IBM is also a founding partner in the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance (TCPA) announced just two weeks ago.

Options

To complement the new systems announced today, IBM offers several new options including

For all systems: IBM P76 17-inch FD Trinitron CRT Monitor, flat screen display

designed for advanced corporate users - $459

For the IntelliStation M Pro: IBM P260 21-inch FD Trinitron CRT Monitor, large flat screen display

designed for advanced corporate users - $1,149

IBM Memory: 64MB, 128MB and 256MB ECC RAMBUS RIMMs - prices starting

at $405

For the PC 300GL and PC 300PL systems: IBM G76 17-inch Monitor, designed for mainstream corporate users --

$349

IBM E76 17-inch Monitor, designed for small and medium businesses --

$299

IBM Memory: 64MB, 128MB, 256MB and 512MB non-parity and ECC SDRAM

DIMMs -- prices starting at $109

Pricing

Estimated reseller prices (7) for the new models announced today (without monitor) start as low as $2,775 for the IBM IntelliStation M Pro with Pentium III, 600 MHz; $1,279 for the IBM PC 300GL with Pentium III, 533 MHz; and $1,429 for the IBM PC 300PL with Pentium III, 533 MHz.

For more information, visit the following IBM Web sites:

IBM IntelliStation workstations pc.ibm.com IBM PC 300 PCs pc.ibm.com

Footnotes

(a) Trademark or registered trademark of International Business Machines Corp.
(b) Trademark or registered trademark of Intel Corp. (c) Trademark or registered trademark of Digital Persona. All
other trademarks or registered trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

(1) MHz measures microprocessor internal clock speed, not application performance; many factors affect performance.
(2) Intense3D Wildcat is a trademark or registered trademark of Intergraph Corp.
(3) Fire GL1 is a trademark of Diamond Multimedia Systems Inc., and is used under license.
(4) Matrox Millennium G400 is a trademark or registered trademark of Matrox Graphics Inc.
(5) Appian Gemini is a trademark or registered trademark of Appian Graphics Corp.
(6) Asset ID allows a computer to be ''scanned'' by various radio frequency emitting devices, which must be purchased separately from independent companies.
(7) Estimated reseller prices. Resellers set their own prices, so prices may vary.

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To: Steve Porter who wrote (76801)10/25/1999 7:42:00 PM
From: Kenith Lee  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572915
 
the 840 with dual memory channel and dual cpu support is the best of the best of the best Intel has to offer in terms of motherboards.

Just curious, for the same money that would have spent for the best of the best Intel can offer, how much performance can the K7 get from Kyrotech (turn a 700 K7 to ???)?