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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (76966)	10/25/1999 10:54:00 PM
From: Goutam	Respond to of 1576866

Tenchusatsu, re:<Or how about these Quake 3 scores, Ali? ... ... To be fair, I'll admit that I was being selective in my benchmark results> I'd like to add just another selective benchmark to your list ;^) [ ripped from aceshardware.com ] More Coppermine benchmarks johan Monday, October 25, 1999 (08:39 PM West-Europa (zomertijd)) Well here is one Coppermine benchmark I decided not to include in the review because I didn't get enough time to verify it : Half-life (Blow out demo, Diamond viper (nVidia TNT2) at 175/200) . The other benchmarks (Athlon 700, PIII 600) are 100% verified ! : ) CPU HL 800x600x16 HL 1024x768x16 Athlon 700 59.8 59.1 PIII EB 733 56.8 56.0 Athlon 600 53.8 53.3 PIII 600 BX 47 46.9 PIII B 600 i820 47.8 47.4 Confirms the Quake 3 benchmarks: the Athlon still rules the 3D games realm. __________________ Regards, Goutama

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (76966)	10/25/1999 11:07:00 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1576866

Ten, re:<certainly 'ordinary applications' don't need it [Rambus Bandwidth]> Please look at the graph at www6.tomshardware.com The top 5 applications are not "ordinary" applications: we have four games running in DirectX or OpenGL at 70 to 130 frames per second. And we have 3DStudioMAX doing 3D rendering. Guess what? On these "heavy duty" applications, the VIA chipset beats the i820 Camino! Only in Netscape-like applications does Intel's "high bandwidth" RAMBUS have an advantage of 2 to 3%. WOW! A 2% gain in business applications for FOUR TIMES THE MEMORY COST. Absolutely no improvement in 3DStudioMAX. I'm sure those Camino motherboards are going to sell like hotcakes (if they are ever certified as working). Petz

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (76966)	10/25/1999 11:21:00 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576866

<Still think Intel's Rambus platform is a joke, Ali?> No, I don't "think", I know it for sure. What I think is that you have some thinking problems. I was comparing i440BX PC-100 platform with the i840 RAMBUST platform, WITH THE SAME PROCESSOR, COPPERMINE. I was trying to make this comparison as clean as possible for you. You still did not get it: the 400% increase in bandwidth has bought you only 2.5% gain in application performance. What I am alluding to is that you guys have little clue as where your application run-time budget goes, at system level. The above 2.5% result is a good illustration. I can tell you more: Please do yourself a favor: get an ASUS P2B board, and run it at 133FSB/133SDRAM with Cumine. Then compare results with a i820/40 system. Then look at your face in a mirror. As far as processor-L2 interaction concern, I am impressed with CuLaterMine 32-byte-wide access - it is more than "Ford Mustang" approach!

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (76966)	10/25/1999 11:36:00 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576866

Tench - RE: "Still think Intel's Rambus platform is a joke" You asked him, but I wanna answer. ;) i820/DRDRAM vs. Irongate/PC100 IS a "joke" in price/performance. With the extremely high costs of an i820 system (whenever incompetent Intel gives it the green light) one would expect it to offer a superior performance advantage but it only offers better performance is a few applications with processors at a HIGHER clock speed. i840 seems to be better used w/DRDRAM because those systems cost a bunch anyways and I would guess with its extra features it is faster than i820. I bet Intel can't wait to get out their PC133 compatible chipset!