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To: Rambi who wrote (63820)	11/22/1999 8:56:00 AM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 108807

I had the sense that they were somehow part of the general "put women in their place" atmosphere that was pervading the thread. That's funny. That's one impression I NEVER had gleaned from this thread. LOL!. JLA

To: Rambi who wrote (63820)	11/22/1999 9:18:00 AM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Rambi, if there has been a "put women in their place" atmosphere pervading this thread recently, I certainly wasn't a part of it. And to be honest, never noticed it. I have sensed a deterministic attitude toward women with respect toward abortion, but that's really a different subject. If a women truly doesn't want to become pregnant, she has the capacity to prevent it. Unless of course she is raped. And if womens groups focused on the preventative aspect of abortion, with the same energy they put toward the freedom to perform as many abortions as possible. They might be able to prevent a lot of unwanted pregnancies and heartache. We do disagree that men have an equal pressure on them to be HOT HOT HOT then women do. Most of the pressure on men is simply to be healthy. For women thin, thin, thin, at whatever cost is the daily struggle. For many women, it's an unnatural thinness that causes a lot of emotional and physical stress. I haven't heard of many men dying of anorexia. Recently, I heard grade school kids are dieting and having eating disorders. When the pressure of being thin starts effecting grade schools, you would think that womens groups and magazines would start speaking out more forcefully on the issue. If the article said anything to me, it was that after nearly 40 years of the womens movement, the tendency toward women looking a "certain way" has grown more and more intense not less. And the Gloria Steinham "vision" has been tossed aside for the glory of commercialization, profits and voyeuristic desires. Take a glance at your futuristic crystal ball Penni, I see a day in the not too distant future, where magazines such as Seventeen will look more like Playboy did in the 60's. And I believe that article is saying. "Is this really what the womens movement wanted"? But I could be wrong, because I haven't really given it a great deal of thought, just wanted to type and yack this morning... Michael

To: Rambi who wrote (63820)	11/22/1999 10:03:00 AM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I had the sense that they were somehow part of the general "put women in their place" atmosphere that was pervading the thread. I agree that the atmosphere on this thread has become overly contentious at times--culprits, you know who you are!--but I have not felt that the atmosphere was anti-women, unless you consider an objection to abortion to be anti-women. The arguments have struck me as political and personal clashes but not belittling of women and their status as cogent individuals. Have I also been rushing through too many posts and missed something?